Ali H2H

"All the evidence suggests that this is not the case, in as much as the data leads to any definite conclusion.
The global talent pool seems to have been declining since the Second World War, and it might in fact have peaked during the 1920s!"

I posted that quote from janitor and want you to read that carefully when ANYONE on this forum actually questions my knowledge on here....DID you read that ...ACTUALLY read that?

 

Joff, since you're a self described casual who isn't an old timer on the forum, I can tell you Classics probably isn't usually going to be too receptive to your thoughts. I put a poll on general that was partially inspired by this thread. It will be interesting to see the results. As great as Ali was historically, and Louis is the only one I think who can be ranked with him in that regard, I've always been perturbed how irrational people are with him on h2h basis. General is the only hope for a poll result anywhere close to 50/50.

 

Bruce Lee is another story he actually revolutionized the way hybrid martial arts trained after traditional ones were the norm and never ventured outside the art itself of what practioners followed which was a set structure to that art itself. Lee combined all the arts at that time and took from them ,making his own system.

The flat earth guys are more like the latter.Who in their right mind would say boxing peaked in the 20"s.???? Im not even going to persue that one bc then that would make me crazier to think an explaination is needed.......

 

Each forum has its problems, classics is that there are too many nostalgiaists who cannot even entertain any intelligent discussion on the subject. There are some good posters on Classics too, of course. Mendoza and others who lean modernist, Reznick and McGrain who are basically classicist but at least comparatively reasonable and more reasonable to listen to.

 

Yes, a disruptive jab helps. But I believe more than anything else that an ungodly high output and a dash of awkwardness is what will prove the remedy. No basic, up-and-down fighter should ever be favored to best Ali in his prime. Good as he is, I don't think Lewis had it in him. The size may very well confound him. And Lewis, with his ability to go off script, is a tough road for anybody. Ultimately though, he falls just short in boxing ability.

A lot is made out of Lewis' jab. I'll say again: Lennox Lewis had a disappointing jab. Inch-for-inch, he finds himself on the fringes of the top ten, well below Ali. He's immensely grittier than given credit for, and the case can be made that he is, as a total package, one of the two best to have ever laced them up at heavyweight. But, yeah, inferior jab, not known for his speed, he'll find little purchase outside of a clinch.

 

The one inch punch does work however killing one man ??no...lol

I can tell you about martial arts because im one myself. The guy made a living when MMA wasnt around and he was the first to actually use the modern MMA gloves in training where you could grapple and punch. He had a very unrefined skill set of jui jitsu which would clearly be out dated today however if you are telling me he couldnt fight well than thats your opinion i also was invited to Muhammed Alis Martial arts hall of fame induction back in 2014 and met other Martial Artists who many would call actors and fakes ............ the problem with that is i literally know credible Martial Artists who trained at least one time with some them and being famous doesnt mean you cant fight and vice versa.

my own Sensai is in that Hall of fame bc he was awarded that as well that night,he is in no movies nor puts his name out there,Martial arts isnt about that,but if one can act and do movies i see no problem with that ,why not?

 

I'm not a newbie. There is some talent at cruiserweight, but you don't see any of them moving up, do you?

Oh Sure Holyfield did. Roids and all he is but 1-4 on fair score cards vs. Bowe and Lewis, two skilled super heavyweights.

Perry, if you think the jab is the key as many do, then size, length, and power of the punch really matter. There is no getting around this fact.

Pretty much any skilled super heavyweight hits very hard. Just imagine if they were fighting 185-210 pound men with the old-timers 6 or 8-ounce gloves.

 

Me: Oh yeah btw I'm a Martial Artist.
Guy: What style do you practice?
Me: Galvatron

 

We are talking Ali, the greatest hwt I have ever seen, not some cruiserweight. Watch Ali at his best fight and then look at the very robotic, predictable, tentative straight up style of Wlad. No imagination, no wins against great all time opposition, no real examples of toughness. You obviously would be shocked how easily Ali would dismantle Wlad. He would look in slow motion in comparison afraid to throw a punch because of the constant counters. One sided battering ending in a ko within ten rounds.

No very knowledgeable boxing fan points to size as a reason they beat an ATG champion such as Ali. Just like no very knowledge boxing fan would questionnthe greatness of Jack Johnson or Joe Louis.

 

What are you babbling you idiot? You think Lennox Lewis is harder to hit if he was 5 inches shorter ,your not even intelligent enough to know how dumb that makes you sound and continue your downward spiral .......lmao