Don't know if you read this but, "I guess I'm assuming that you would also recognize that Ali would likely be a cruiser as well." This is the dumbest thing I've seen on the forum in a while. Ali weighed ABOVE the cruiser limit, Marciano weighed far below the cruiser limit. Also Marciano's reach was 68 not 73. Ali's was 78, so he'd be giving up 10 inches of reach. This seriously has to be the dumbest topic in a while, I think you recognize that which is why you're getting so defensive. I don't get the point of your Fury comparison is. Marciano would have absolutely no chance at all against the SHW of this generation. he's just far too small. You said he'd give up 30 pounds to ali, well he'd be giving 70+ pounds and 16 inches of reach to Fury. As for Louis he'd have a better chance than Marciano due to size, but I'd favor Ali's speed, movement, and skill over Louis against the SHW like Klitschikos, Joshua, Lewis etc.
So it wasn't just me, he did word the question all F'd up. But no, you should have clicked yes because you favour ANY heavyweight over him (like any sensible person would) Still time to change the error though. The side of common sense need all the votes we can.
If you think that's dumb, then you've definitively proven your stupidity. It's not about arbitrary guidelines, its about raw weight and percentage. As I stated before, Ali is at nearly as big a disadvantage as Louis, while being much less powerful, which is more significant historically. Meanwhile, while he has a solid advantage over Rocky, so too does Fury etc over Ali. And Rocky's power translates better than Ali's skills. Provable historically. So you can believe as an item of faith whatever you like, but please don't pretend you're being anything other than extremely biased. (As such, please remove your descriptive term under your name)
He could have made 200 and still performed well with modern methods for sure. But thats just my opinion. All i know is a boxer today who weighed around 210-215 in shape and needed to make 200 for a day before weigh in it would be very possible for him to make that weight and fight the next day.
Actually forget cruiser. Rocky would have been a LHW in this era. Rocky wasn't killing himself to make 185. He'd have a way better advantage. Seriously saying since Rocky would be a LHW/Cruiser in this era, Ali would be too is the dumbest **** I've heard on this forum in ages. "If you think that's dumb, then you've definitively proven your stupidity." So you're basically saying, you are what you say I am nice comeback. Seriously though, just delete this thread it's embarrassing. Again your comparison of Fury/Ali and Marciano/Ali is extremely stupid and pointless. You're just proving my point further. If you think Fury has a good size/reach advantage Ali, compare that to Marciano lmfao. He's a foot taller, has a 16 inch reach advantage, and weighs over 70 pounds more. Also let's be real most of Rocky's wins were ATGS nearly 40 or past 40. We don't know how his power translates against prime ATG opposition, especially those who are 60+ pounds heavier.
****. The perils of posting drunk. It makes sense logically as it's written, but I can see how it can be interpreted more than one way, and I could have phrased it better. Ah well, **** it, have fun debating ya'll
If it is Ali you are talking about boiling down to 200, I read a post earlier today where a guy claimed Ali was only a single inch shorter than Anthony Joshua
Yeah and he would be dangerous. Imagine having floyd patterson rocky marciano roy jones jr bob foster james toney B-Hop Archie moore Sergey Kovalev all in the same division fighting each other. that would be my wet dream
Dude, you are dumb as ****, please remove your unbiased post. You seriously say that rocky would be two weight divisions below, while Ali, only 4.5 and 30 lbs max above him, while lacking his power, is still a modern hw?! GTFOH dumbass moron. You seem to be lost, I'm not saying Marciano would ha e a chance against Fury and Ali wouldn't, I'm saying it's equally illogical to day either would have a chance. Both can have quasi arguments made for them, but neither makes sense from a rational perspective (which you clearly lack)
the heights are really exaggerated in the HW division, like in the NBA. I certainly dont remember people that tall but at the same time athletic before in the HW division. Maybe these guys really "only" are 6'3-6'5" just like lennox lewis, golota, ruddock, tucker, bruno and bowe
Oh you were talking about Marciano. By the way, the ghost of Ezzard Charles called. He says get his name on that list or your name is going on his!