Ali interview tidbit LOL

Don't you know that the main reason that Ali is like he is today is primarily because of the punishment he took from Joe Frazier? Frazier perhaps more than anyone, he tok more sustained punishment from Frazier than anyone. Harder and more sustained punishment than from Norton, Foreman, Shavers, you name them. Sure, none of the other punches he took from all the other guys didn't do him any good, and added to the end result, but it was Frazier whose punishment really took it's toll. Frazier may have lost two out of three from Ali, and it may be said that history has been a bit unkind to Joe, particularly all the latter day opinions of all of today's "experts" and fans in general, who just pick a modern or historical heavyweight at random and have him a knockout winner over Frazier. The toll of punishment delivered by both men, Ali and Frazier, in their three bout series really ruined both of them, but particularly Ali. The Thrilla in Manilla get played "ova and ova and ova again" ad nauseum, but it's really unfair to Joe Frazier that the FIRST one, The Fight of the Century, NEVER sees the light of day, probably to the delight of the Ali nut huggers and worshippers. It would really boost Joe's stock today and be a reminder to today's "experts" of Joe Frazier's great moment in the sun as the real, legitimate winner of that fight, and how determined, relentless and great he looked in doing so.

 

Disagree, Foreman had Ali out cold on his feet many times according to Ali himself. Shavers hit him flush with HUGE shots seriously hurting Ali, Norton landed so many times on Ali.

And afterall Ali wasnt shot after the first Frazier fight it took many more punches to do him in

 

No, I realize it was his joke, but that's not seeing the forest for the trees, as I'm referring to the pathetic condition that Ali is in. And again, it's acknowledged that Ali ook some heavy shots from Foreman, Shavers and Norton, but none of them contributed to the state of Ali's health IMO as Frazier. He punished Ali far more than those other guys did. If Ali had never fought Joe Frazier, he would be one of the most active wits in the world today, and probably would be urged to run for President or something.

 

well there are 2 belifs.
punch drunkness is caused by major single shots or small multiple shots.

frazier made ali look like a chelsea drunk in the 11th round of the first fight.

if so i would go for frazier on both counts.:good

 

I'm a self confessed Ali "nuthugger" as you put it, and although I take your points on Frazier, Ali was more significant in the media, more significant in the sport, a better athlete, a greater figher, and achieved a hell of a lot more than Joe Frazier ever did. Therefore, on that basis, I'm not surprised he gets all the limelight and Frazier doesn't.

Hardcore fans though, they acknowledge everybody. They are the only people who really matter from a boxing standpoint.

 

Obviously his brain is still working well though.

 

Good stuff John! I dont think you rated that lecture!

 

My aunt has Parkinson's and she never took a punch in her life.

 

So did Nijinsky the famous ballet dancer ,Katherine Hepurn,and Michael J Fox, does that mean Ali's condition isn't directly attributable to boxing ? Ferdie Pacheco thought it was.Any way are you sure your Aunt didnt box? Probably got loads of posters and scrap books in the attic ,with all her fight clippings.

 

Very funny, well done.

I don't think anyone should relate Muhammad Ali's illness with boxing one hundred percent; he might have just been a boxer who happened to develop Parkinson's disease regardless of exposure to head trauma.