"Ali-Marciano" '69 comp. fight...

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  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY

    Know? So you got hit by both? All proof shows otherwise too.
     
  2. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    & previously struggled with Doug Jones.:deal
     
  3. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marciano's power is legendary, however, also fabled too...... He parked a lotta typical guys who were either old or under 200 pounds......... Plus, it took a barrage of shots to KO 188 lb. Archie Moore in 1955... Sorry Charlie, but I can't envision Marciano pinning or pummeling bigger dudes like Frazier, Foreman, Ali or Holmes in a time machine........ Them dudes would break out the "Ass Whup" on Marciano....... Cheers....

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  4. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Plus remember this version of Ali was not long in fighting over 200 Lbs. The older, heavier version grew to take the heavyweight punch very well. But the lighter, pre-Frazier Ali. Did get rattled from time to time. Not saying one way or the other on this match up. But there are alot of factors to be considered. Plus sheer size doesn't guarantee victory. Just look at Tyson-Ruddock or Dempsey-Willard. Both of the smaller fighters beat thier opponents.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Cooper was not a swarming pressure fighter ,he was a stand up boxer who worked behind his left jab, probing for openings for his left hook ,his right hand was only used to wipe his arse with.
     
  6. (PimpThaSystem)

    (PimpThaSystem) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Really? This myth again? Ali weighed 212 against Terrell, Folley, and Williams; the same weight he would make in the Frazier/Norton rematches.
     
  7. MRBILL

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    Clay was like 210 1/2 for Liston in '64 and 206 for the rematch in Maine later come 1965...... YES! Clay / Ali was near or at 211 to 212 pounds for Williams and Folley......... By the middle 60s, Ol' Ali was a big mother for the era.......... Razor sharp with a decent punch.......... Williams and Folley sure felt some thunder........... Peace.......

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  8. Bummy Davis

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    Cooper could put pressure on you if he could get past your power and not bleed to death...He caught Ali with a few good hooks before the one that dropped him and he kept throwing them
     
  9. Bummy Davis

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    :good:good:goodSmart post
     
  10. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cooper was taller? He was taller than Tyson, Langford and Frazier but what does that mean...Cooper weighed 185lbs and could not punch anywhere like Marciano with either hand.....In fact Cooper was KO'd in 4 rds )KO'd by 6 ft 191lb Floyd Patterson....I know you are infacuated with size but that is ridiculas and to compare Earnie Shavers who was a puncher to an all-time great two-fisted puncher like Marciano or Joe Louis is weak..Shavers lost all the big ones and some of the guys that dominated him were 5"10 Bob Stallings, 5"10 1/2 Ron Stander and 6ft Jerry Quarry, all these men had Shavers on the floor Quarry KO Shavers 1...Stander KO Shavers in 5....and it was the smaller lighter men that Ali had trouble with Cooper 185lbs...Doug Jones 6ft 188, Joe Frazier 5'11 205 and Bonevena 5"10 205 and that is the facts
     
  11. groove

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    ali was knocked down but won every other round that they fought in 2 fights. ali in 1966 rematch was far classier. cooper did have a great left hook - far better than most heavies as he was a natural leftie so that was his power punch - it even had a famous nickname. if stopping a fighter in his predicted 5 rounds is really struggling.................but that was the problem - ali waiting for 5th got slack at end of 4th and got nailed good.
     
  12. MRBILL

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    People can laugh or scoff all they want to, but while I know damn well that Marciano would have his head knocked off and handed back to him by guys like Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman & Holmes, I'd be willing to bet that Marciano would be in the fight / fights of his life with dudes like Cleve Williams, Henry Cooper, Jerry Quarry, George Chuvalo & Oscar Bonavena...... Ol' Rocco was lucky and smart by retiring in 1955 after his KO win over 40ish Archie Moore....... Marciano was lucky to have fought in a suitable era (1947-1955) for his body and skills........ Cheers......

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  13. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali was the better fighter. I currently have him at #1 on my all-time list. With that said, I do not think Rocky would have his head knocked off and handed to him by Ali. I think Ali would be in for a hell of a scrap with Marciano. Ali would win the decision, but he would pay dearly for that win...in my opinion.
     
  14. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I had a video on here where Ali says himself he doesnt know if he would have beaten Marciano......I tried to find it again but youtube removed it,sorry
     
  15. MRBILL

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    Ted,

    I see "Ali-Marciano" similar to "Robinson-LaMotta." Yes, LaMotta out-hussled Robby ONE TIME, but he was never able to do it again........ Robinson was too slick and quick for LaMotta, and Ali would be the same for Marciano........

    MR.BILL:rasta