"Ali-Marciano" '69 comp. fight...

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  1. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lamotta and Marciano had two things in common they were Italian and aggresive but Lamotta could not punch anywhere like Marciano with either hand and the comparison ends there
     
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  2. MRBILL

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    I know LaMotta had few KO's (30) or so, but he was not a featherfisted fighter........ He also decked Robinson in one of the fights they had..... LaMotta may not have had wicked one shot power, but he could whack well enough.......

    Getting back to Ali.... Ali surely could take anything Marciano could throw...... If Ali could eat and digest power shots from "Liston, Quarry, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Lyle & Shavers" without folding like a lawn chair, he'd handle Marciano's power too............
    :bbb

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  3. Dempsey1238

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    Lamotta should have won the bout shortly before Robinson join WWII.

    There are reports that some of the 6 bouts were bad calls desion wise.
     
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  4. MRBILL

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    True... But my initial point was, I think Ali with his flash and dash type of style would be able to soundly outbox Marciano over the course of 15 rds.... I honestly can see Ali winning by scores of 10 to 5 over 15 rds with Marciano...... However, my real guess is, Ali thrashes and slices up Marciano's face to where the ref steps in and stops the bout on a TKO for Ali......
    :good:deal:thumbsup:rasta

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  5. PetethePrince

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    And SRR was a better technician with more power than Ali in a P4P sense. However, Lamotta had the physical edges (Not in height or reach) in weight and strength. Rocky has the strength, certainly but the physical disadvantages are more noticeable against Marciano rather than SRR. However, SRR was better in a P4P sense and Rocky certainly hit harder than Lamotta. So it equals out a bit.

    I remember this from Raging Bull.

    Joe Pesci, "I swear they only gave him that ****ing decision because he's going to the army next week."

    De Niro, "I don't know Joe maybe I've bad luck. I've done some bad things and maybe it's coming back to me... I dunno I mean maybe I'm a jinx who knows."

    Classic film.
     
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  6. MRBILL

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    Everybody loves "Raging Bull" from '80 with DeNiro....:deal

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    Note: Be as it may, but LaMotta was affected by the weight of 160 for the '51 slaughter loss to Robinson........ Robinson by '51 was suited for 160, while LaMotta really needed 165 to 168 pounds badly....... LaMotta left his fight in the gym back in 1951........

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  7. sugarsean

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    Joe Frazier was a better fighter than Rocky Marciano

    faster
    better head movement
    faster footwork
    a better inside fighter
     
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  8. PetethePrince

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    :cheers:


    True, but come on Bill. Ali vs Marciano is no slaughter and a 75 version is no way beating a prime Marciano. The whole Cooper left hook being as wicked as Rocky's is rather ridiculous, especially after the assertion that Rocky's power is rather fabled. That's not how you're going to gain credibility. :-(

    Rocky hit harder than Frazier. Most believe this too. Either way, comparing Frazier/Marciano to Cooper in power is wrong.
     
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  9. MRBILL

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    Marciano was prolly a better two-fisted fighter than Frazier was, but I agree that all around a prime Frazier was better and tougher than Marciano.......... NOBODY other than greats like "Foreman and Ali" could KO or batter to death a dude like Joe Frazier........ Frazier kicked everyone else's ass up until 1976.............

    Also, as Ali found out for sure in '75, Frazier developed a decent right hand to the body in Manila........ I think a prime Frazier of 1970 beats the **** outta a '52 Marciano in a time machine......
    :thumbsup

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  10. PetethePrince

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    :patsch

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzU9_J5Iuw&feature=channel

    Joe always had the right hand body attack. It was the hook to the head that was a bit improved by then.
     
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  11. Seamus

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    Watching that Chuvalo footage one has to think Marciano had a decent chance against Ali on a given night. If that was a prime Marciano in the ring on that night, there would have been a victory for the Rock. On any given night. Maybe not on most, but on some.
     
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  12. MRBILL

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    I'm sorry, but I just think Rocco Marciano is well outta his league and would do poorly in the POST 1960 era of heavyweight boxing..... From 1887 to 1960, I rate Marciano for sure in the top-5 ATG ratings....... But considering some of the dudes who popped up since 1960 to the present time being, Marciano drops down to top-12 ATG material.....

    Also, in all reality, regardless of Rocco's age of nearing or at 33 in 1956 and his rumored bad back, he was smart to pack-it-in that year and walk away from boxing.... Had Marciano tried to push onward into 1957 / '58 he would've had lotsa' trouble with guys like "Patterson, Cleve Williams and Sonny Liston" for sure........ Patterson was nowhere near as tuff as Marciano, but he was 12 yrs younger and a hell of a lot faster than Marciano was in 1956...... Williams and Liston would KTFO of Marciano for sure in the late 50s......... Come 1960 things were changing.........

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  13. MRBILL

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    Not really a right hook shot, but rather a chopping right to the head after drilling to the rib-cage.......
    :yep

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  14. PetethePrince

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    ...Right, unfortunately Frazier was a bit forgone at that point. I think I saw him stun Quarry once with the right hand. Other than that he was pretty left-hand oriented.

    Marciano has stamina, power, two fisted attack, and durability.

    I should say toughness since you claimed the opposite. If anyone was more tougher than Frazier it was Rocky. Maybe that's impossible to argue but I'd be willing to argue it. However, Rocky may've just proved greater recovery powers then...
     
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