"Ali-Marciano" '69 comp. fight...

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Thats about how I see it too.
     
  2. Stevie G

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    I also see it that way. Ali too fast and strong. As tough as Marciano was.
     
  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I see Marciano faring better,but still losing to the 1970-75 version of Muhammad.
     
  4. McGrain

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    I think Marciano would beat Ali in Zaire. But prime for prime it's a horrible match up for Rocky. Not enough speed in his relentless pressure in my opinion, and Ali was known for cutting opponents.
     
  5. MRBILL

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    Interesting.......... I still favor Ali of Zaire to beat Marciano..........:deal

    Q:

    I am curious how Marciano would deal with and handle high temps with high humidity levels in the air....... I know Marciano fought a few fights in very cool weather, but I cannot recall him ever fighting in extreme HOT weather........

    When I was in school playing baseball I always preferred the game on a cool night cuz I felt better after warming up..... I hated them HOT-ASS weekend afternoon games in Los Angeles when the temp would be 88 degrees and the smog was as thick as Molasses.......
    :patsch:shock:

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  6. he grant

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    I don't see the Ali of Zaire losing to Rocky ....People forget just how strong Ali was .. Rocky would not tire like Foreman but he did not hit as hard nor had the 80 plus inch reach to hit him ... I'd take the Ali of 74 way over the Charles that went 15 with ocky ...
     
  7. MRBILL

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    Grant,

    Just my point..... If Marciano thought the 6' tall and 185 pound Buzzard Charles was slick and very capable in the ring, just imagine how Marciano would've felt with a 6' 3" tall Ali who was 212 pounds...........

    Good points............. Ali's strength and power always seem to get overshadowed by his speed and ring savvy.......... A peaked Ali was not wimpy in strength or power..... People need to realize that.........

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  8. Unforgiven

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    If Ali tried to rope-a-dope him, Rocky would beat him, I think. But maybe Ali would adopt better strategy. Rocky was try to make him fight his (Rocky's) fight too, so who knows what would occur.

    I'm not sure Foreman hit harder than Marciano.
     
  9. MRBILL

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    If Ali could hang out by the ropes with "Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Shavers & Leon Stinks" during his career without be dropped or seriously hurt, I think Ali could handle and toy with the MUCH smaller Rocco Marciano.......

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    Shavers rocked Ali a couple of times in 1977, but Ali was in ring center and jabbing while circling when Shavers came over Ali's jab with a countering right hand bomb.... Ali was NOT on the ropes there.......

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  10. Unforgiven

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    Frazier beat Ali up on the ropes.
    Norton beat Ali on the ropes.
    Leon Spinks (only 197 pounds and not nearly as powerful as Marciano) beat Ali on the ropes.
    And Shavers came close.

    Ali spent most his glorious days of "rope-a-dope" getting his kidneys and brain turned to mush. Yes, he was tough. But Foreman's about the only fight where you can even begin to argue it was worth it.
    Ali stank the joint out in most those fights in the 70s.

    Ali's not toying with Rocky.

    I'm no hero-worshipper of Marciano, but he was a pretty hurtful fighter.
    I see a lot of Ali hero-worship going on around here.
     
  11. MRBILL

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    Truly, based on styles and skills, I see Marciano being tuff and somewhat successful against Ali for about "6" rds in a 15 rounder.... That is my best guess too........ After round 6, Ali's jabs and crosses have Marciano cut above the eyes and bleeding from the mouth..... By round 10, its merely a matter of time before the corner cannot control Marciano's facial wounds and the doctor has got to call it off.........

    Again, based on styles, I think Marciano would ONLY be successful with his body attack. Marciano would eat leather coming in, but he'd land some thudding shots to Ali's body..... Ali is noted for taking a tremendous shot to the body, as well as the jaw.......

    I really think Marciano would struggle major league in hitting Ali with a jab or right hand to the face / jaw....... I can't see Marciano with his 68" inch reach being effective upstairs on the elusive master Ali..........

    In the end, its Ali by TKO victory somewhere between rds 10 thru 13......... Marciano goes to the hospital to receive stitches and perhaps a pint of blood from storage........ WORD!

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  13. Stevie G

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    So would I.
     
  14. Terror

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    From what I heard, they showed Marciano winning in the US because they felt that Marciano was more of an all-American guy.

    In the UK theater release, Ali stopped Marciano on cuts.

    That's what I read in Dundee's book and some other places.
     
  15. he grant

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    Marciano looks like Joe Pesce in size against Ali in this picture ...