"Ali-Marciano" '69 comp. fight...

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Guys, the fight was produced in the late 1960's when Ali was despised, when no one yet knew how great he really was or how tough and in a transitionary period in American history when black athletes began to truly dominate across the board. The computer fight was a joke , a publicity stunt. Let's get real ...
     
  2. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marciano winning the original comp. fight of '69 was due to several issues: White Power; Ali refusing military service duty and the fact that "The Rock" croaked in a plane crash + or - 1000 yds short of the runway in Iowa earlier in Aug. 1969....... All "KEY" factors is giving Rocky Marciano the win at the theatre....

    However, I agree with the "Alternate" ending in which Ali batters a bloodied Marciano into a late round TKO defeat......

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  3. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    I would pick Ali but he wouldn't just blow away the rock like a lot of you guys said. If Frazier can stun and knock down a nearly prime Ali, then it's not so far fetched to say that Marciano would at least trouble Ali.
    he had more punches then frazier, who only had a left hook. he had a very powerful right cross, a good left hook, uppercuts, etc. the fact that Henry Cooper, chuck wepner, and Doug jones can knock down Ali, Marciano could too. this wasn't prime Ali, but it's still reliable.
    I think Ali beats Marciano, but not easily. it would be a war.
     
  4. mjk612

    mjk612 New Member Full Member

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    Here's the link: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G226LGvXTI8&feature=PlayList&p=7F6F9D6BDA97051F&index=14&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL[/ame]

    It is worth noting that this special is from 1976, and, if you watch the clips that go with this one, Ali seems to give Marciano the best chance against him. He also clearly says that he thinks Marciano is a little better than Frazier. Given that he also says "and you saw what Frazier did to me," this wasn't just a jab at Frazier. I agree with Ali's assessment - he wins, but this is a rough and tough fight. That is "realistic."
     
  5. mjk612

    mjk612 New Member Full Member

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    I'll also add that Ali clearly thinks that he would no KO (or presumably TKO) Marciano.
     
  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I do't think anyone thinks Ali would blow Marciano away ... it's not Ali's style to do so and Rocky was such a tough SOB ... Ali would likely win a decision by boxing with size , reach and speed and/or possibly stop Rocky on cuts ...

    Even though Ali seems to be universially recognized as the greatest heavyweight, which I'm not 100% sold on, He is not one of the more dangerous match ups for Rocky. I do not think Ali could really seriously hurt him and both Chuvalo and Frazier proved a Marciano type style could have success against Ali ...
     
  7. Tuaman

    Tuaman Return Of The Terminator Full Member

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    I noticed that myself. This fight played out a lot like the first Ali-Frazier fight. Rocky lost the early rounds, but his body attack slowed Ali down and he gradually stepped up his pace and knocked Ali out. The same thing happened in the 1971 Ali-Frazier fight, only Joe didn't get a knockout.
     
  8. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marciano was actually smaller than Frazier by about an inch in height and 15 to 20 solid pounds of weight.... I pick Frazier to breakdown Marciano in a time machine, too... "The Rock" never fought anyone as badass as the '71 version of Frazier....

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  9. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cooper put Ali on the deck Rocky puts Ali out.
     
  10. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Manure.... Was Marciano's hook harder than Cooper's hook? Cooper was an ass-wicked hooker in the 1960s...

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  11. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XKcGRREcaM[/ame]
     
  12. MRBILL

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    Like I said, I bought the comp. fight disc a while ago, but I can only sit through the alternate ending in which Ali stops Marciano inside 13 rds on cuts.... The version of Marciano kayoing Ali down to the floor is too hard to digest here......

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  13. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    MR Bill knew his stuff.
     
  14. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ral Hal Gooly Gooly when assessing Marciano’s rating against Ali’s, takes this fight into consideration.
     
  15. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Makes me laugh when people ( repeatedly ) use the Frazier said this, Frazier said that to boost their point.

    When would Joe Frazier be honestly objective regarding Ali.

    How about we use Jerry Quarry.......Marciano couldn't hit Ali on the arse with a handful of rice.

    Is that fair?