Yes , and I clearly remember the sheepish grins on everyone's faces as the host tried to assure everyone that this was "not a setup." .... he was unsuccessful ... Norton was the aggressor through out the fight. Norton landed the harder punches, Norton handed the more effective punches ... Ali threw a pitter pat jabs and occasional crosses that could not crack an egg ... at the bell his entire corner looked like loser ... Ali himself look more dejected than Louis did after the first Walcott bout ... the overwhelming press coverage all favored Norton ... it was a robbery ... he got the decision because his name was ALi ...
What's your view on my earlier thread about Norton's corner ballsing up,and telling Ken to be careful in the final round ?
Not nitpicking here mate, but are you sure your talking bout the 3rd fight with regards to Ali and his corner looking dejected and ****. I remember the end of the 2nd fight being like that, think Ali even flicked his glove at drew brown. Maybe im wrong.
Likely not wise ... in addition, since Ali had not seriously hurt him once in 38 previous rounds it makes little sense ... I still find it a non issue ... I feel Norton was far ahead ...
Loads of people saying stuff like "terrible robbery" and "Norton was far ahead" Any chance of a scorecard then so I can see if I am really just being biased as ****. It was a close fight which depends on how you judge it in my opinion. Ali landed more, Norton landed harder. It's not clear cut at all.
That's the truth. Frazier never froze up against anyone because he wasn't afraid of anyone. He was simply physically overmatch against foreman and couldn't beat him once if they fought 100 times. Foreman was too big, too strong and hit too hard, plain and simple. To compare frazier to norton (who matched up way better to foreman physically) in that respect is totally unfair.
so the folk with the strongest opinions don't have a card. Good one. Too busy reading about fights to watch them I suppose!
After the second fight I recall Howard Cosell sticking the mic in Muhammad's face. Muhammad tugged at Howard's toupee in retalliation Muhammad looked tense and expectant awaiting the decision to be announced after fight number 2. After the third one,he looked pissed off and resigned,giving a relieved and slightly surprised smile when he was named as the winner.
As I keep saying,I think Norton may have earned the win due to workrate,but it was a long way off a robbery.
I haven't read what others have said, my own take is that it not a horrendous robbery, but I had Norton slightly ahead.
Bundini was jabbering away in Ali's ear,and this seemed to **** Muhammad off so he took a swing at him. Luckily for Bundini,it did n't connect properly !
It definitely is mate, since the people who are talking about robberies aren't taking the time to do a card. I am biased, as I love Ali, but even then, it's a close, close fight. My card is up, with descriptions of why I gave rounds. I'm only asking for that in return.
I am assuming your talking about the panel that viewed, with Kenny present, the third bout a week after they fought. Each round was played and each of the experts voted and explained their votes. After the fifteen rounds their cards together came up a draw, which while suprising Ken, is the assessment of many seasoned fans and the judges also who had it a draw going into the last round, which I did also. Many of the rounds Ali took with those pity pat jabs and crosses were because Ken didn't throw enough in return to edge them his way, such as the last round where in the first two and a half minutes he landed an entire,,,one jab. Ali landed in that time, pitty pat or not, eight times and with it the round.