Ali/Norton 3: Horrendous Robbery ?

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  1. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I guess I'm in the minority on this, because I thought the fight could have gone either way.

    Norton didn't exactly set the world on fire that night, and allowed Ali to steal a number of rounds that he could have banked simply by being more active. Also, while his punches were heavier, they didn't really affect Ali all that much, so I'm not inclined to give them greater worth than any of the punches that the champion.

    So, while the result is open to debate, it's hardly comparable to highway robberies like Whitaker-Ramirez 1, or Escarlera-Everett, in my opinion.
     
  2. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What was a bigger injustice in a major heavyweight title fight, was it Ali's narrow points win over Norton at Yankee Stadium in 1976 or when Lewis and Holyfield fought to a 12 round draw in Vegas later on in 1999???
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  3. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Ken got shafted, i hate corrupt judging.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    Yes it was a robbery and the police are still after the judges.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    yeah it was the end of the era with the big matches coming to an end.

    beating shavers probably did leapfrog him, well it di do but probably deservedly so.
     
  6. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Norton clearly won... I'm not sure how anybody can disagree with that. Was it the worst decision I've ever seen... no.. was it obvious to Ali and most everybody Norton won.. yes
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    the worst decision I've ever seen personally is lara v williams. at one point I was fearing for williams health taking blow after blow cleanly, astounded at the decision, even the draw card, couldn't believe it.

    heard some people say oquendo v byrd is a robbery but I actually disagree with that one, I scored it for Byrd.
     
  8. Kalasinn

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    I scored it for Byrd too. :good
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    :happy I thought i was going mad because I'd heard people say fres should have won a shut out and it's the worst decision they'd seen but when scoring it I felt Byrd won more rounds.
     
  10. Kalasinn

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    It's because the general forum is full of Byrd-haters, so they always want to discredit him.
     
  11. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This was not a robbery. A few of the top officials that scored this bout, had it for Ali. I talked to both Mercante and Lederman after this bout and they had no trouble with there decision.

    referee: Arthur Mercante 8-6-1 Ali
    judge: Harold Lederman 8-7 Ali
    judge: Barney Smith 8-7 Ali

    Unofficial AP scorecard - 9-6 Ali
    Unofficial UPI scorecard - 8-7 Norton

    I have talked to many people that saw the bout live and several say they had Norton winning and several had it for Ali, But almost everyone had it close, so it was no robbery.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    it's weird, but I find him the best stylistic HW I've watched. Evading punches at close range like that is amazing.

    I think in the pocket defence is my favourite style.
     
  13. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    How many judges have you ever heard afterwords say they blew it ? The press was overwhelmingly for Norton and no one knew it better than Ali who knew he was a loser at the bell ....

    look t 3:10 on ...

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOYLRsM4-gI&feature=related[/ame]
     
  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Norton's loss was much worse ... at lest Lennox retained a title ... Norton was manipulated for another year plus as Ali did everything possible to avoid ever having to fight him again ... when he lost to Spinks he publically begged for a rematch rather than Leon giving Norton the shot he deserved as number 1 .. he knew Norton would crush Spinks and that he'd never regain the title from Norton ...
     
  15. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I recently gave it to Ken by a point...I can't call that a robbery.