Ali Or Leonard

YOU need to compare their resumes. Charles has one of the best resumes of all time. Ali faced more 'well-known' fighters. I personally have Ali above Charles. But by two places. Mainly due to the way he took apart more 'dangerous' guys, and the fact that he was so fast at HW (I take attributes/skillset into a fighter when ranking them)

But Charles was immense mate

 

I give it to Leonard, but it should be noted that my definition of P4P means that no career Heavyweight, Ali included, is likely to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being compared to ATG fighters in a lighter weight. Some might look at it as punishment, but when you're routinely the same size as your opponent or bigger, it doesn't mean as much P4P for me as when someone smaller challenges and defeats very good or great larger fighters. Just my 2 cents on it.

Depth of resume makes it close, but Ali still didn't have a win that beats Leonard's first KO of Hearns or beating Hagler, moving up in weight, after a layoff. Making Duran quit is something Ray really doesn't get enough credit for either, IMO.

P4P, those 3 fighters whom Ray holds wins over are all better than anyone Ali fought.

That Ali fought much more top 10 competition and had superior longevity is what makes it a tough call, so I wouldn't begrudge anyone who chooses Ali. But, I'm rolling with Leonard.

 

he most definitely did not mate.

whats the point of saying something if you don't know? Charles fought Burley at Middle; how the Hell did he start at LHW?

 

Leonard was the more complete fighter .. a much better pound for pound puncher ...

 

enough said.

 

leonard is on par with ali as far as ability is concerned but not heart. He was an ultra talented coward who ducked worthy opponents and waited fro fighters to get washed up before he would fight them or give them rematches.

If he would have gotten the decision against duran in their ist fight I honestly doubt tha there would have been a quick rematch. He would have waited until years later like he did agains hearns who imo was robbed of the decision.

 

Henry Armstrong was a better fighter, P4P, than Ali! He's above Ali in the P4P history books imo!

 

Rock 005, is that Roy in disguise?

 

That's logic we can all live with :good

 

definetly ali

 

Ray Leonard doesnt even come close.

Muhammed Ali is indeed The Greatest.
Always will be.
There will never be another like him.

 

Ali by a bit.

Leonard's resume is lacking some what after his big wins over the fab four, where Ali has a very deep resume after his big wins.

 

Only one??
Harry Greb.
Ezzard Charles.
Roberto Duran.
Henry Armstrong.
Sam Langford.

-and those are inarguable.

 

I'd say that Ezzard is top 5 or 6... Ali is top 10 or 12... and Leonard is somewhere within the top 20.