Ali 'phantom punch' slo-mo vs Liston

If you were taking a dive would you get up and contune fighting?
Why would Liston?

 

Liston was pissed off about the venue, the promo work, low ticket sales, and pretty much everything leading up to the fight. He had already been paid, and his money was in the bank. He got cracked and said "**** it -- watch this!" That story came from Bert Sugar, so take it for whatever it's worth.

 

Well I thought that for myself.

Don't really give a damn what Bert says since he's bias to old time fighters.

 

atsch

Just stop talking about things you have no knowledge about.

 

Interesting angle, when I first saw details of the fight
back in the "sizzling sixties", it appeared to be a perfect
punch executed with speed, accuracy and power
(S A P).

But, from that video presented, then the door is open
for a fresh round of debate as the punch looks like
an arm punch without the necessary ingredient of
leverage.

Without leverage, there can be no power punch.
So, the door is now wide open for an extended
discussion or debate. So, does this give the
Ali-haters more fuel for the fire, or leave
objective analysts ready to open the book
on "The Greatest" and revisit other controversial
moments such as the Doug Jones and Henry Cooper
pre-title fights.

As I said, I believed it was a perfect knockout punch back in the Sixties, and despite the video angles, I still believe it was
a perfect one-punch knockout.

Photo: Signed by Muhammed Ali for Brian Zelley
in 1972 in Vancouver, BC when Ali was there to
fight George Chuvalo. The story behind the photo
is an interesting personal story of how two of us
from Nanaimo, BC, Canada got an opportunity
to knock on Ali's door and be invited in.

 

ALI vs LISTON II

So when all is said and done, all of the requirements were there
for the perfect one punch knockout.

1. Ali had the balance
2. Ali had the speed
3. Ali had the timing
4. Liston was moving in

So the only real effective argument is the leverage issue.

But watching one video is not the only evidence.
After the fight, there were hundreds of photos published.
One of those photos published somewhere in the past
clearly shows a full body presentation of the punch
and Ali's form from his boxing boots to the crunching right hand.

Once one evaluates that photo and the video, and also considers
points 1 to 4, there is only one real conclusion that one can
come to and that it was one of those rare and shocking
one punch knockouts that shocked the world.

So, any real debate limited to facts, can not be a traditional debate
because all reasonable participants would come to the same conclusion.

Now the history and use of the "rope-a-dope" tactic is another issue.
And Canadian boxer CHARLIE CHASE has not been given credit
by Angelo Dundee or Muhammad Ali and the so called boxing experts
or boxing "hacks" for using this tactic on George Chuvalo before
Muhamaad Ali did in Vancouver, BC, Canada in 1972.

So called objective boxing writers, when discussing the rope-a-dope,
give the impression that Ali dreamed-up this tactic for the George Foreman fight which is pure fantasy coupled with a 100% slice of fiction. So, it would be nice if paid boxing writers and even boxing forum members would
deal in FACTS and not waltz down the "yellow brick road" of garden
variety "FANTASY".atsch:roll:

 

clean shot, perfect timing

 

Perfect punch. Right on the button.

 

The punch from Ali lands on Liston, but the power / impact was not enough to park a bear like Liston in the manner in which it SUPPOSEDLY did.......... Liston was caught cold and dropped, but the act on the canvas was a horrible job of acting as if he were seriously ****ed...... That event in Maine stunk like a fart after eating from Taco Bell........
:scaredas::shock:

MR.BILL:rasta

 

Very skillful punch, it didn't look that hard but sometimes punches land just right. Take a look at Savon vs. Tua, same kind of weird situation, it looks like nothing hit him clean and on closer inspection it just gets him in the right spot.

 

liston probably had to lose at some point to please the mob and he thought **** nows as good of a chance to dive as ever.

 

It's called an "Anchor Punch". At least, that's what Ali called it back in the day. It connected, and, I'm inclined to believe it did hurt Sonny 'cause he sure as **** didn't see it coming and we all know that sometimes the punches that are most effective are the ones that aren't seen.

 

It was definitely genuine in my view. Can generate a surprising amount of power in an 'anchor punch,' if you try it - even if on the backfoot.

 

Liston getting dropped for a count of 2 or 3 is buyable / feesible, but that bull**** roll over and around on the floor while trying to get up was / is hogwash.... Cheers.......

Ali and company were on the level; Liston was not............. Liston went in the tank..... IMO!!

MR.BILL

 

Clean punch