Ali provides a detailed analysis of his destruction of Cleveland Williams & others

Holy ****..... 145lbs?!

The thing also is, a boxer with Ali's style was the worst thing that could happen after getting shot. Against an opponent who came at him he could've at least fired back. Ali just annihilated him.

Plus, let's not forget, Ali's ability to stop his opponent before he went into exile was as good as Tyson's.

 

Very interesting Mac,This confirms what I have allways thought ,that Ali let Chuvalo hit him in the body to prove a point,,several posters have suggested in Ali Marciano matchups that because Chuvalo landed frequently Rocky would break Ali in half,knowing that Chuvalo was not a big league puncher he allowed the Canadian to connect , I dont think he would be around for Rocky's heavier salvos.
I know Willams was past his cell by date ,but I concur with Jose Torres ,that night in the Astrodome, Ali would have beaten EVERY MAN ,who has held the Heavy weight title.
Thanks for the video.

 

Yeah ,yellow cowardatsch

 

i would have loved to have seen a peak frazier v ali who fought williams. he was constantly moving and floating around the ring and his combos were thunder & lightning (he must have thrown about 14 punches in a row in the 3rd round). pity the same can't be said about the ali he fought in FOTC. Great footage BTW

watch 3:35, 5:57 (shuffle) & 6:20 mins

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Williams receiveing a shot at any version of any title that year was as laughable as Richard Dunn's a decade later.

 

good point but if ali only fought a few times in a year like many heavyweight champs did then fighters like london, williams would never have fought for the title. cuz ali was fighting a lot in 1966, more fighters, and yes less ones, got their chance.

interesting that joe louis said ali shouldn't be fighting a southpaw v mildenburger. did louis fight any southpaws?

 

No never."Chappie said nobody looked good against a south paw".

 

I'd never begrudge a man like Williams making some dough with a title-shot he 'perhaps' earned a few years ealier (when the likes of Tony Tucker would receive 'four') and the performance by Ali shows his amazing skills. However, to me, it's the equivalent of talking about how good Joe Frazier was...and then uploading the Ron Stander fight.

 

No one claims that Williams was not past it ,but being that Ali had defended his title 5 times that year in the challengers back yard in every case I think he was entitled to an easy one,Williams was uinbeaten since losing to Ernie Terrell by split dec 3 years earlier, and had just beaten Roger Rischer ,who would go on to beat Cooper later.Williams still had enough left in the tank to beat Terry Daniels when Williams was in his last year as a fighter ,Daniels was accepted as a suitable opponent for Frazier in Daniels previous fight. Its worth remembering also that In Ali's next fight he took on the number one contender and WBA Champ ErnieTerrell to close out the year[1966 ]with 6 succesful defences, not a bad effort,imo.

 

He'd been shot since he'd beaten Richer and almost died, so I don't know why you'd use that as an example. Also, you mentioned Terry Daniels, who clearly wasn't a suitable opponent for Frazier either. My comment was nothing to do with Ali avoiding anybody, it was to do with Williams being an undeserving challenger and so far removed from his prime that his hometwon supporters even booed his points win against Sonny Moore a few months before his fight with Ali. Yet this is always used as an example of how Ali could've beaten anyone on this night.

 

But the fact that he followed it up with two impressive perfomances probably has something to do with it. Had he looked like **** against Terrell and Folley the perfomance against Williams would probably not be that talked about.

 

Ali fighting Williams and Zora Folley past there primes is a way of greatness in itself.It's like saying, so sorry you didn't get a crack at Patterson and D'Amato in your primes, and I know it's a little late,but I will give you a shot.

 

They would all have looked great vs that version of Williams....and I dont think that version of Williams would last more than a rd or so vs the Klitschko's

 

Pre-exile Ali does not lose to Frazier or Norton.