Ali the person?

Epic pussies on ESB 'He said mean things to an opponent who was going to beat his brain cells out of him and slapped his wives occasionally, he's a terrible human being' WAAAA WAAAA WAAAAA

Good post

 

What is the source for Ali being a woman beater ?

 

Yeah, I guess that makes you a good person in your world.

 

If Ali was around today doing what he did back in the 1960s and 1970s he'd be in big trouble.

In these days of political correctness and tabloid press interest in celbrity sexual liaisons there's no way he'd be able to say the vile racist things he said, or carry on with teenaged girls like he did.

He was a married man in the 1970s, in his early 30s, when he got with a teenaged girl (she was 15 or 16) who he had spotted at his training camp. He got her pregnant, "married" her in an Islamic marriage - while still being married to his wife of course - and then kind of discarded her.

Now, I'm not the moralistic type when it comes to that sort of thing, but imagine how that would play in the press these days !

These days, they'd have a field day with Ali.

 

I think Ali was smarter than most think. He played on peoples mental vulnerabilities and thats always going to cause friction, but look what he did to Frazier and Foreman leading up the fights. He knew they would be tough so he tried to sap them in anyway of their mental confidence. A genius in the psyche of boxing really.

 

As I've wrote countless times on here,Ali was no angel and YES in his younger days he did indeed cross the line in some ways,but what never ceases to **** me off,is that Ali's hardly the only boxer,or anybody,who's done or said bad things. There are plenty of others whose behaviour has been far worse than Muhammad's,but they don't seem to get judged as harshly or as often as he does. And please don't anyone give me the "Yeah but he's been built up as a saint,so he gets it in the neck more than anyone else" kind of bull****. There have been many who've been in that boat.

 

I never checked into who Ali was with. Don't care.

But I would say...What's pretty and ugly to you may be something beautiful to someone else.

If Ali saw a girl that most didn't find "attractive" (on first sight), while he did or found out he liked her by getting to know her...maybe that says something about him. I doubt he was a guy that had low self-esteem so he shot for the girl with the busted face and no teeth.


As far as Ali the person...he could be brilliant...Kind...GOOD...Child-like...Funny...and he could also be a Hypocrite, Hateful, Egotistical...an *******... who you wish would just STFU and taught a lesson.
It seems like he is human after all. But he shouldn't get a pass like some like to do.

 

Also, according to this ex-football great, also liked to feel up other people's women, and he had to warn Ali if he did it with him, he'd kick his ass.

 

I disagree.
If anything, image-wise, Ali's gotten off lightly.

I bet 99% of people have no idea that he supported apartheid-style racial separation, was anti-integration, spoke out as inter-racial marriage and made lots of generally ignorant racist comments.
In fact, most people probably believe he stood for the exact opposite of all that.
:deal

Muhammad Ali is almost universally-loved around the world, so your claim that he is judged harshly is well off the mark.

His womanizing and sexual exploits are probably not at all unusual for a man of his fame, wealth, looks and charm ... but it's just a fact that the modern press - who have no qualms about intruding in such affairs - would find a way to rip his career to shreds and possibly entrap him into legal issues surrounding those exploits.
In his day, his pals in the press turned a blind eye.
Even his political critics didn't harrass him 24-7 trying to find dirt - which it seems would have been very easy to find.

Don't worry, everybody loves Ali.
Maybe not as much as you love Ali, but they pretty much love him.

:good

 

Pretty accurate.

 

like all of us..........
a human being, a man.
with everything that comes with it, some good deeds and some bad. some good caracter points and some bad.
sometimes with humor, sometimes sarcastic. sometimes smart remarks, sometimes stupid.
like every human being

as for ali the boxer that's a different story

 

:good Oh,I certainly don't deny that I'm a fan of Ali. Fan as opposed to FANBOY. A fanboy is someone who looks at the figure of their idolatory through rose coloured specs. Rather like an Elvis Presley fan claiming that Elvis never made a bad film,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,! I have a well rounded view on Muhammad. He went too far with Joe Frazier,and I question his being awarded the decisions in the Norton III and Jimmy Young fights,for example.



As for his early controversial statements about race etc,this took place during Muhammad's most fanatical Nation of Islam phase. With an outfit like that,you could n't weed out the bits you went along with and the parts you did n't. If you were in,you were in....with the whole price list. Whenever Ali made these statements,he'd often kick off with "The Honourable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that...................."

He probably truly believed in 50% of that stuff,if that.

 

I like Ali. I've always liked Ali.
The person that is, the fighter really needs no discussion.

He was often full of **** true, but he was a young, impressionable kid and the epicentre of boxing at the time. There was a lot going on in his life at the time.

At the end of the day, we have all done and said some stupid crap when we were younger. We got away with it because nobody had a tape going or a camera in our face at the time.

Ali, for better or worse, had just about every thing he said or did taped for posterity. He may have meant some of his racist views at the time, but again he was a young, impressionable kid who let's be honest, had suffered his fair share of racial prejudice.
Even if he didn't, he had seen others of his colour suffer racial prejudice.
An extrovert personality like him was never going to keep quiet, and why should he have?

I don't hold any of his views against him, just like I don't hold someone like John L's views against him. Sign of the times, context and all that.

As for the sympathy so many have for Frazier...well, Joe had a mouth and two fists too.
I find his unwillingness to forgive and forget many decades later just as distasteful of Ali's victimisation of him in the first place.

 

he is my favourite sportsman. however i didn't like the way he treated frazier, the uncle tom jibe wasn't called for. also not being grateful for the help frazier gave him financially.

he was heavily influenced and to a certain extent controlled by the muslims he associated with when he himself became a muslim. i think he was somewhat naive about some things at that time.
some stuff he said in interviews about the white man, devils and other stuff i don't like.
however i understand now in hindsight why he was like that and i recall the times he was then living in[as a black guy], so its no big deal to me.

some people really like to have a dig at him and some things that he's done or said. they like to think that ali should be bound by higher morals than the rest of us, and he should be closer to perfect than me and you. thats because they can then have a go at him.
i just remember that he is human and has made mistakes and made wrong decisions in his life like the rest of us.

all the documentaries i've seen on him mention how he transcended boxing to be much more than only a boxer.
he seems to of done a lot for the black man in america, whether it was intentional or not.

he seems a nice person and to me he was the greatest.

 

I always felt the Muhammad Ali was like a 'double edged sword'

A good safe side, and a dangerous sharp side.

If anything, the man knew had to 'Play the Game'.