Ali v tyson

Ali's era was so "weak "he beat a prime foreman who came back in tysons era and won a world title.
hell of a long "weak" era it mustve been too

 

Saying that Tyson was a 42-1 favorite over Buster is pretty much the worst claim you can make for his greatness. He not only lost that fight, he was beaten very very badly.

Tyson could not KO or hurt Holyfield, who has pretty decent chin to say the least. He could not KO or hurt Douglas. Ali probably has a better chin than both of those fighters.

There is no justification for thinking that Tyson could KO Ali. This is no bash on Tyson, there is no justification for thinking that any of the top HWs today could KO, say, Valuev. When a fighter has a reputation for REFUSING to get KOd and NOT getting KOd, when he fights at the HW elite level, it's tough to give anyone enough credit that they would be able to.

Ali is a better fighter, and a sorta similar fighter, to Buster Douglas. Mike Tyson MAY be a better fighter than Joe Frazier, but I wouldn't necessarily bet my life on it. Also, Ali beat Frazier 2 out of 3.

Liston had a somewhat similar style to Tyson, and he was beaten handily by Ali in the 60s.

 

Thats right.I forgot Mike was a Rhodes Scholar and a member of the Mensa Society.Ali takes it in an embarassment.

 

The problem with your arguing style is that you are presenting opinion (basically, just GUESSES) as facts without laying down the facts that substantiate your claims.

1. He can land on ALI.

That's a bold as hell ****ing statement to make without substantiating it.

2. Ali doesn't have the infighting ability or power to push Tyson back.

The problem with that statement is that it's irrelevant. It is a common boxing fan misunderstanding that you have to have power to STOP an incoming fighter in all situations, and without it, the tougher fighter will just "walk through" all of the punches and land easily. This is a common idea among people who don't really understand how boxing works.

Ask Floyd Mayweather, against Iron chinned Baldomir, if his lack of power and Baldo's great chin and Floyd's lack of inside fighting was enough for Baldomir to win.

I'm not saying Tyson is Baldomir, I'm just saying, when the BASIS of what you are saying is wrong, than what you say has no credit.

 

I don't buy that Teddy Atlas theory. I've watched the fight many times. Tyson was having a great round - he hit Holyfield flush with a left hook and a jab/right-cross. The earbite came out of no-where and no one knows why it happened except Tyson. Someone who wants out of a fight is scared and Tyson wasn't scared -- he was pissed. It took like 50 security guards to restrain him afterwards. He was trying to kill Holyfield. He was getting headbutted. Tyson's from the streets, he had a violent past -- he's also one hot-tempered mofo, so that's enough explanation right there. And Tyson bit Lewis in the press conference too; so he was trying to get out of that fight too?

 

:good

 

Don't go there. Holyfield was rocked and sent reeling back on MANY occasions - you just didn't notice because Holy is a warrior who made it LOOK like little. Watch first 3s of the first fight and you'll know what I mean. Did you forget the Douglas knockdown in round 8? Dougie recovered but he definitely was hurt, no question.

Are you trying to suggest that a puncher of Tyson's caliber will not be ABLE to hurt Muhammad Ali? Forget rating him as fighter, how do you rate him as a puncher? Earnie Shavers was a HORRIBLE fighter but an all time great puncher. How does Tyson rank as a puncher? I personally rate only Joe Louis above him - not Dempsey, Foreman, Liston, Marciano, Shavers etc. Every punch of his was bread and butter punch and it came at blazing speed and angle and power. His delivery without question was second only to Joe Louis. Watch Foreman throw a right hand watch Tyson do it -you'll know what I mean.

 

It's a tough fight, but I don't see Mike being very successful with his leaping left hook early. Frazier was, but he got inside before throwing it, eating leather in the process. Ali was a very focussed fighter and ring general, and I think he'd adjust accordingly.

Then again, Tyson's head-movement was great. He might be able to slip the Ali jab.

I don't buy Tyson manhandling Ali, though. I rather see it the other way around. Leaping left from Tyson, slip, clinch, push from Ali. With the amount of punishment Ali could take, I think he'd swell Tyson's eyes (above his peek-a-boo guard) almost shut before wilting from Tyson's battering.

 

And Shavers had a heavier blow than Tyson and Louis both. You can't knock out Ali with a single punch -- but it's possible Tyson could K.O him with multiples, of course.

The Shavers shot Ali ate was, I believe, the heaviest blow that didn't produce a knockdown or stoppage. On the other hand, Tyson wouldn't let Ali off the hook as Shavers did. Ali's clinching was ATG, though.

Nasty fight to predict. Hold a gun to my head and I go with Ali, but it's a very volatile and fluid match.

 

Yeah, Patterson scared the hell out of him. :roll:

Tyson would outjab him with his tremendous reach and timing.

 

If you asked me honestly what Ali hated, it's a good counterpuncher. Or someone like Joe, who reckons being hit in the face is a good thing since the opponents guard is down.

 

I have no idea which fight you watched, but in the one I saw, Ali tortured Patterson, and could have ended him way sooner than he did.

 

Ali v Tyson is a tough call. It would likely come down to the referee. If the ref lets Ali cheat (holding and hitting, rabbit punches) then Tyson would probably get frustrated and get DQ'd for biting.

If Ali is forced to follow the rules, and has points taken away and faces DQ, he might lose to Tyson. He definitely would have lost to Frazier in Manilla, and to several other opponents.

 

Yes, but what's really important is that he beat all of the fighters you mentioned (except Holmes, at the very end of his career.)

I was wrong when I said Tyson didn't hurt Douglas. I, seriously, did forget about the KD (I don't know how, with all of the controversy caused by Don King).

Tyson was a good puncher but he didn't KO the best.

 

Ali would have beaten Tyson. Not only with skill, but mental strength as well.