Ali vs Marciano: How would it go?

The bigger gloves came in after the Charles fight, but not because of it,as I've already expalained Marcino's nose injury was caused by an errant elbow.
You are being deliberately misleading, naughty, naughty!:nono



The gloves you refer to are the Reyes gloves, known as punchers gloves.Last months Ring had an excellent article on the gloves and how they evolved.

Marciano came out of all his defenses with facial damage ,all except the ****ell and second Walcott fight which only went a round.
I predict Ali stops Marciano around the 10th rd.
Rocky was not Henry Cooper no, he was cut in two more fights than Cooper but had the added advantage of substances to stop the bleeding that subsequently became illegal during Coopers career.
NEXT!

 

At the end of the day, Ali was troubled by small pressure fighters early in his career, in the middle of his career and at the end of his career.

I think it is fair to say that Marciano would fall into the “stylistically problematic” category.

 

well said :good

 

fact and good observation

 

no, it is not truth that´s all, in his prime never was troubled for anybody. He simply was dominant vs every guy that he faced in his prime...

 

Walcott worked him out just fine he was just too old and ran out of gas retreating to the ropes more and more as the fight progressed.Who was in front in that fight at the time of the stoppage?
Walcott 1 was leading 8-6,8-5,8-4
Charles 1 the scores were 9-5,8-5,8-6
Lastarza 2 the scores were 7-3 ,6-4, 5-5

Three competitive fights.

There's no mystery about Marciano , he has to crowd you and get close,he would be giving up over a foot in reach ,over 4" in height,and 25lbs in weight to a man who is much faster of hand and foot, has at least as good a chin ,a great jab ,as much stamina ,and strength,and is his equal in courage and determination, barring a million to one lucky punch he gets his face punched in.

 

rocky, out boxed(over 15 rds) or stopped on cuts,never ko'ed by Ali.

 

yes, and ali had a BETTER chin

 

I guess its just a matter of opinion but IMO Marciano had all the tools, stamina,pressure,power,chin,determination, etc. to give Ali his toughest fight and an excellent chance to win. I think highly of Ali as top 3, my # 2 but head to head I think Marciano beats him in a great war and the rematch Marciano would be even better, they could split 3 or 5 but dont know if they would survive 5 battles against each other.

People kid themselves to dismiss Marciano

 

Ali was in competitive fights with 5'11 188lb Doug Jones, THE Cooper FIGHT UNTIL ENREY'S tissue popped, he fought 3 hell on earth battles with Frazier and many feel he lost to Norton 3X, Young 1X....I dont think we would put Cooper or Jones in Walcott or Charles class and even Old Archie was 8-9 years older from when he fought RM when he fought Ali and landed a few good shots before losing

Marciano's work-rate and 2-fisted power and style make for a tough fight because of style and Ali was correct IMO tougher than Frazier

 

Foreman was a ponderous puncher who did not know how to break a fighter down, even Joe Frazier only had 26-fights when he fought Ali but Ali was in fine shape 2.5 years off and 2 good fights (one going late) Vitali came back after 4 at an older age and beat a man much younger by KO)

Frazier was just a better fighter than the 38=48 yr old Liston, and the past 33- 37 year old Foley and Big Cat, etc. see below vs one armed pressure fighter JF who was 5"11 and 206

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or maybe you have a too high opinion of him... marciano fought battles to beat much lesser fighters than ali,.. ali in his prime dominated every guy that he faced.. included top class fighters like floyd patterson(who destroyed archie moore and dominated him much more than marciano did), or sonny liston. ali had all the credentials and the Probabilities to beat rocky, i respect the courage and determination of marciano, but it is not enough in the boxing world, if not holyfield or frazier would have beaten anyone. like mcvey said.. ali was much faster of hands and foot(marciano called ali "THE FASTEST HW OF ALL TIME"), he had a much longer reach, even if marciano landed some solid shot ali took shots from harder punchers, ali had a tough mind, ali had great stamina,ali had great heart, ali was smart like hell, PEAK VS PEAK MARCIANO WEIGHED 184-187(184 POUNDS HIS BEST WEIGHT FOR THE LOUIS AND WALCOTT FIGHTS) AND ALI 210-214 (BEST WEIGHT 212 FOR THE CLEVELAND WILLIAMS AND TERREL FIGHTS)

 

haha funny how you talk about a single ali.. Like if he was equal in his complete career.. You use frazier, jones or the first fight of henrry cooper like proofs of anything.. When he was not in his prime... What happened in the rematch with coope rin 1966 when ali was 100%developed in his prime? Was it even competitive?. Sonny liston 1964 would have knocked marciano out.. Simple like that, many people are insinuating that liston was not dagerous or he was a shot when he faced ali.. And the truth is that he was killing anyone and he was clearly the number 2 in the world at that time.. He would have killed anyone not named ali in 1964

 

Bummy, with all due respect you are again using the Jones and Cooper fights as a yardstick.
Along with Norton 3 and Young, these fights have about as much relevance as say, Louis v Marciano.

Any fantasy fight between Rocky and Ali would be using both at their absolute best so lets use Ali of either Terrell or Williams but i would go so far as to use the Ali of Zaire as to me that was the best we saw of him post exile.

Same applies to George Foreman supposedly having trouble with Peralta and Qawi when we all know full well this was not a '73 Foreman wrecking machine yet it gets put up as some kind of proof George would struggle with Marciano.

 

yes, just like he uses the 40 years old foreman vs qawi fight to argue againts foreman in a fantasy match with marciano lmao