Ali vs Marciano: How would it go?

Difference being the Marciano fights were when he was prime .

The ones you cited were not Ali's prime.
I would put Jones or Cooper in Lastarza's class and quite a few thought he beat Marciano first time around.
Here's an account of the Moore v Ali fight, you must have watched a different one!

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...iITAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EAUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2379,3217250

I would expect Marciano to l have hell on earth fights with Frazier.
How do you think he woud do if he was out of the ring for nearly 4 years and after 18rds of action went in with the reigning champ Frazier?

Marciano had his last fight on 21st Sept 1955 he intended to comeback and fight Ingo after he had beaten Floyd in June 1959, but couldnt get in shape.

Different strokes?

I wonder how a 34 years old 18lbs overweight Marciano would do against negative spoiler Jimmy Young?

 

Why pick at that? Did Rocky lose those fights? This is about how much difficulty Ali has with Marcianos style not about discrediting either man or their chalengers.

There's a lot of great fighters younger than Walcott who could not have fought as well as he did defending his title against Marciano. Some say it was his best fight.

Too old? Walcott was the best heavyweight in the world then. Was Walcott in decline? He just beat prime Charles who was dominating all the available top contenders and past champion.

Marciano beat a great fighter with no quit in him to become champion and he beat strong contenders. I don't know why it is but it seems because he did this so emphatically so many look to attack the credibility of those men Rocky fought at that time. Funny that it is often only Rocky who gets this when anyone can say this with as much ammunition about any champions challengers.

I won't do it this time but think about Ali's challengers and how he became champion. Decide for yourself and ask is this the way to prove that the stylistic reason marciano won't trouble Ali is because Alis 1960s challengers were so much easier for Ali to beat?

I'm not saying who punches who's "head in" I am saying Ali would find Marciano awful to fight because he would present Muhammad difficulty and a life and death war every inch of the way.

 

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Why pick at it? Because you said they couldnt work Rocky out and I say if the fight were very competitive and Marciano said Charles gave him hell that tells me his style was not so unfathomable at all. That fighter you refer to was not considered great fighter in his own era nor in the 60's. Ive magazines from these times rating him and Charles as," not the best not the worst,"; No quit in him ? He quit in the return fight imo and AJ Leibling who was there concurs with me. Walcott was 37 years old he was NOT PRIME,neither was Charles Im not knocking Rocky for that he could only fight who was around. I'm just stating facts and trying to put his abilities into perspective.

 

It comes down to this.

Ali has the better resume.

Ali ought to fare better head to head against a wider range of styles.

When you actually match them head to head, Marciano has a style that is problematic for Ali, and that gives him a good chance of winning.

Marciano is one of the greatest heavyweight champions himself, so it is not like making the equivalent claim for somebody who was merely a top contender of their era.

 

You never saw," his absolute prime ,"and neither did anyone else.

 

This is based on what? Ali coming back after nearly 4 years and putting a prime Frazier in the hospital for a week? Or his subsequent 2 fights with him when he was in decline? Ali is routinely rated no1 or 2. Marciano is rarely rated there, in fact he just gets in my top 10.

 

No, it is based on his encounters with pressure fighters of one type or another, throughout his career.

this is the style more than any other, that gave him issues.

I didn't think it was in question.

 

Both fighters were great champions who, in their primes, dominated the world and cleaned out their divisions. Neither would be easy meat for anyone. Great fighters in their primes take some beating.

If ever Marciano got beat in his prime, I don't care how much weight he might give away, how fast the other guy was, how tall or long he was... it would still take a life and death war to beat Marciano at his best. Ditto Ali.

 

I used the Frazier fight as a good comparison but I make the observation as Ali did that Marciano HAD 2 POWERFUL hands and a variety of angles. Ali said himself that Marciano in his opinion was better than Frazier and even as an old man hit extremely hard

 

You have strong opinions but I am sure you have lost a lot of bets in your life because of it. When Ali fought Frazier he was as close to his best as he ever was and if you think the Ali that beat the shot Foley and Big Cat was the best version, I wonder how he would do with a prime 26 fight Joe Frazier from the FOTC, I think Ali was stronger in his return and Joe Frazier himself said, "only Joe Louis and Marciano could beat me"and he said both would beat Ali....Ali said his toughest fight would be Marciano and I happen to think he was right. If they fight I w ill bet you $1MM that Marciano wins :good

 

Which pressure fighters gave him trouble during his first reign?

Or do you just want to look at his past prime fights?

That's two questions requiring two answers.

 

The underlined is bull**** Ali's prime was the near 4 years he was inactive and that opinion was endorsed by his career long trainer,Angelo Dundee.

Muhammad Ali "was robbed of the best years of his life" because of his beliefs, according to trainer Angelo Dundee."




Joe Frazier didn't think a great deal of Marciano and said so to Ali during their famous car ride .

 

Marciano beats Frazier because ,as you say he had two good hands, he also had a better chin, but he doesn't beat Ali.

 

"Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight champion of all time. Rocky Marciano is second only to Louis. Where do I rate Ali? Somewhere below me. I beat him, and if I could beat him, no doubt Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano could have beaten him."
-- Joe Frazier