Ali vs. Tyson Who Wins This Mystical Bout?

Ali without a doubt. Tyson's style was tailormade for people like Tyson, just like Foreman, Liston, and Frazier. They all pretty much had the same attributes styles were obviously different, but still about the same.

 

I dont think Ali of 71 was absolutely convinced that he was heading for the trenches, not at all, Im quite sure he only seen it as a possibility due to Frazier`s pressure.

Also... Of course Ali didnt have endless amounts of stamina, didnt dance a full 15 & never faced anyone that would test him like Frazier`s pressure would do... Im not disagreeing with any of that but his stamina WAS far superior to the 71 version that gave Joe hell, he had the legs to dance A LOT more than in 71 & keep the fight more at distance & rack up more points before Joe got close & we already seen in 71 how well Ali could take what Joe had when Joe`s moments did come.

We likely wont change each others mind but one last thing... the FOTC was a close fight as it was that Frazier deserved to win, Ali was in it tho giving Joe hell all the way thru but ESPECIALLY early on while on his toes before his legs slowed down.... now, the 60s version did everything better & faster, keep in mind, its the same fighter but just better in almost every department, it the equivalent of taking the Roy Jones from the Toney fight & putting him in with Tarver in their 1st fight, Id pick Ali & Roy.

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Top line - I agree 100%, this is what I think he would/should do, he was a really smart thinking fighter, he would come down flat footed, quite a lot actually but by himself, not by exhaustion like in FOTC, just to try earn Joe`s respect & keep him from getting into his own rythm of chasing Ali down, Ali would do this in spells all the way thru so that he is ABLE to do it in the late rds when Joe will be `smokin`... thats were he`ll need it most, down the stretch & I believe he WAS physically good enough to pull it off using those tactics in 67, he had already shown vast maturity by that stage, it was evident in the terrell fight, even Joe Louis praised his coming of age in that fight.


Next line - The difference in power was minimal at best IMO, he was physically superior in 67 & is after all the exact same man, punch resistance has as much to do with mind as it is physically so I dont see him being ANY MORE hurt in 67 than he was in 71, especially when he will be taking less punishment due to his better/more constant movement & faster reflexes.

Ps. As long as Ali is on his toes, there will be only one man doing the scoring & please believe me, the 67 version would be on his toes A LOT more than the 71 version & Ali can also score on Joe during rest periods (flatfooted, leaning on ropes etc)... I just dont fancy Joe`s chances in this one, I really dont... but I always respect your opinion & enjoy your posts.

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i would break it down this way

young Tyson beats a young version of Ali who was slightly vulnerable and hadn't reached full maturity which he needed for his style to bare fruit, Ali vs people like Dough Jones i'm talking the Ali pre liston fight and maybe even slightly into post listen who was still fragile in comparison Tyson whatever we may say about his opposition was a beast and at a similar age Ali wasn't yet fully mature and smart to deal with the effective aggresiveness of a ferocious young tyson who due to his style had a early spectacular but short prime.

A prime Ali beats a Prime Tyson, no one beats the peak Ali between 67-70 enough said.

Washed up Ali beats a washed up Tyson. a pasted it Ali would've still had much more to offer then a pasted it tyson, the Ali of post thrilla would've beat the tyson who was losing to guys like williams and mcbride tyson had little to offer after the erosion of his most important attritutes and just become a plodding, short dude or squared up whereas Ali adapted and still had his boxing base, the great set, remininse of speed and smarts the Ali who fought the likes of Lyle, shavers, Spinks, easy win over this version of tyson.

 

This.

To the main topic, Ali by late TKO. Tyson didn't handle taller fighters with great jabs and who would move. Ali would pepper him and when Tyson moves in, Ali would clinch and Tyson would gladly accept it. This would repeat until Ali gets him out of there late.

 

Ali wins.
The predator

 

Do you have a youtube account? This sounds oddly familiar.

 

Tyson.

Moving away, dancing, and popping jabs isn't the way to beat Tyson. Holmes tried it, Biggs tried it, and they got punished. That style just plays right into Tyson's hands. Tyson is most dangerous coming forward, and your just giving him too much momentum by running around.

This would be an entertaining and competitive fight but Tyson has all of the stylistic and physical tools to beat Ali.

 

But Biggs did it seem to neutralize Tyson for a bit. The thing is he stopped or couldn't maintain that. Holmes did good when moving, but again he was old and didn't have the legs to keep that up. Ali on the other hand has a terrific chin, incredible speed, timing, and accuracy. The question is how Ali handles Tyson while not moving all the time in my book. And I think he can be fine if he's careful and smart. Either way, I see Tyson being down on the cards and a little frustrated. If not discouraged, at best looking for that 1 shot to change it.