Ali vs Tyson

Watch how easily Patterson and Fraizer are able to touch Ali. Tyson is faster and hits harder than both.

 

Ali decision. Tough enough to weather the early storm, and good enough to get the jab and right hand working as the fight progresses. Ali could land enough late to force a stoppage, but might just elect to win on points.

 

Though I shall surely suffer for saying this, I like Tommo's opinion and think he may be right.

 

Tommo's gone my ignore list, but undoubtedly he thinks Tyson should be able to blast out Ali because Frazier was able to beat him one out of three, and because Cooper and Banks floored him.

Thing is, Frazier operated out of a bob and weave, and looked to break an opponent down as opposed to Tyson's peek-a-boo defense, and looked to take his opponent out. Frazier was able to maintain a crazy pace throughout the entirety of the first fight. Even at his best, Tyson couldn't sustain the type of pace that Smokin' Joe initiated, and didn't go to the body with the same frequency that Frazier did. And since Ali ain't getting blown out early, and since his hand-speed matches Tyson's, it's hard for me to envision a scenario where he doesn't surge from the middle rounds on and take control by the later rounds.

 

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First he postulated that Ali would use the same approach versus Tyson as did Spinks. Then, sure enough, a paragraph later Frazier did indeed come into play - at first as something of a stand-in for Tyson...albeit a very low rent understudy, because apparently Tyson would eliminate that bum Frazier in thirty seconds flat. :think

He did graciously allow that 60's Ali would last a bit longer, a`la Ratliff, instead of succumbing to a KO1 like his 70's self.

 

If Ali was fighting today and put on performances like the ones against Henry Cooper and Doug Jones, no one in their right mind would pick him against Tyson.

Tyson didn't have Frazier's volume but he was much faster and hit a lot harder (in reality, not nutbag fantasy land). Ali has no inside game and no big punching power. He absolutely has to keep Tyson at range. I suspect a Holmes-like beatdown/destruction. Later 70s Ali stands no chance at all, Tyson beats the **** out of him.

 

The only Ali that stands a chance is late 60s Ali and that's because of his legs. Maybe he can stay away long enough until Tyson gets tired. But the Ali that was catching beatings from Ken Norton isn't beating prime Tyson.

 

So Rope-a-dope Ali couldn't be knocked out by Foreman but Tyson would get the job done easily?

Not maybe. That's what most likely would have happened.

 

Not close at all, I cannot link videos but Tyson admits Ali would beat him in his prime, his exact words were "Ali would destroy me"

The only boxer who'd beat a prime Ali was a prime Jack Johnson in an unlimited round fight he'd tired out Ali to quitting, in a 15 rounder, he could UD Ali.

Tyson got beat by buster douglas. What did buster call his secret for beating tyson. Jabbing him and moving right. Ali was the master of that. tyson would never get set, never get near, it'd be liston part 3. Sure Tyson's hands are faster than Liston's but Liston's problem wasn't slow hands, his problem was Ali's fast feet, getting tied up, fighting an opponent with superior speed and endurance who tired him out by making him chase and throw, and then when he got tired and after he cheated and still got beaten by a blind Ali he started to get his head beat in.

Every fight over 10 rounds Tyson lost, how does he beat Ali in a 15 rounder when he can't even beat Holyfield or Douglas? If the reverse was true and Ali got knocked out 5 times, I don't see anyone arguing saying Ali'd win.

Of the modern boxers, young Holyfield would give Ali the most trouble.

 

Exactly, these fighters are as different as night and day. If Joe Frazier got inside you he'd destroy you, if mike tyson was kept inside he'd lose because he has no space to attack. Frazier tried to wear you down and attack you heavily later, whereas Tyson tried to knock you out early and became weaker as the fights went on. Frazier almost always lost the early rounds and came on strong late, tyson was the opposite. Ali's strategy was to get a guy tired by having them chase hm and then just beat them down once they got too tired to continue the attack. Tyson falls into this trap perfectly, but since frazier has a similar style, it made frazier able actually to capable ofgiving ali tough fights because he had energy in the 7th, to fight back.

 

tyson is faster than floyd patterson? , frazier faced a prime ali? oh god, this forum is **** now because ******ed ignorant guys like you

 

this comment is trash since the first word to the last one

 

Ali has everything he needs to beat Tyson. Not saying it wouldn't be heavy weather in the first few rounds but Tyson would be beaten mentally before the fight even started and Ali would pick him apart for a late stoppage or unanimous decision.