Ali vs Williams - Overrated?

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  1. kragz

    kragz 49*-0 Full Member

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    This fight is always used as an example of a 'prime' Ali and don't get me wrong it's a great display of ability. But does holding this win in such high regard overrate Ali's prime? I recently found out that Williams was inactive for over a year before he fought Ali due to a gunshot wound.

    This guy was literally shot, and not just 'past it' because of a receding hairline (a la Oscar/Pacquiao)

    So what's Ali's second most impressive performance before he was stripped of his licence?
     
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  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    :huh The win isn't held in high regard, the performance is, and it's great, in your own words. :conf
     
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  3. withoutwire

    withoutwire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The First Liston fight
     
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  4. kragz

    kragz 49*-0 Full Member

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    Isn't the performance a questionable one due to the highlighted circumstances? Do you not think?
     
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  5. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Yeah, no one really puts much value in the win. Ali looks freakishly good. Even against a literally shot opponent, a Heavyweight shouldn't look that impressive. That's the whole point of it.

    I think his best pre-exile performance (minus the first Liston fight) is his showing against Terrell.
     
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  6. Roman da phenom

    Roman da phenom Member Full Member

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    Hey Guys im new to East Side Boxing.
    But iv been a Boxing fan all my life.

    I think Ali is extremely overrated( But still Great tho). the injuries Cleveland had sustained would end most pro careers
    Ali beat a deterioated Williams,but got the credit based on Clevelands achievements before he was badly hurt.. kind of like Holmes beating Ali, but Holmes never got no credit "Smiley face" (can someone tell me how to make a smiley face please)
     
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  7. darling dame

    darling dame Active Member Full Member

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    Williams never won a BIG fight BEFORE or after this one.:rofl:rofl:rofl
     
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  8. darling dame

    darling dame Active Member Full Member

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    Williams never won a big fight BEFORE or after this one!!!:rofl:rofl
     
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  9. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    :think Perhaps his footwork wasn't actually real but an optical illusion? Can someone take Williams out of the footage and see if he's really that athletic?


    Hey, man. Look, some of the best displays of great fighters' attributes are not coincidentally against opponents who are perfectly ill-equipped to deal with the attributes being pointed to. See: Locche VS Fuji. It's one of the best filmed displays of a masterclass, and, well, not directly comparable as it's more relevant and a fresh guy, but the epitome of Locche's defensive work on display against a wide, wild, crude puncher. It's not a coincidence, you know, but it's rated as an amazing piece of work for a reason. It looked amazing and was.
     
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  10. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    See Mayweather Gatti for another example.
     
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  11. markinmidd

    markinmidd Member Full Member

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    See Mayweather Gatti for another example...............this is true!
     
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  12. the quiet man

    the quiet man Well-Known Member Full Member

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    it was'nt about how good the opponent was, it was about how good ali was that night.
    sometimes, on any given night, a fighter is better than he's ever been before, and better than he ever will be again.
    this was ali on that night, a great fighter, at his absolute peak, everything coming together, the speed, power, footwork, everything. it was a thing of beauty.
     
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  13. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    see jones-pazienza, tyson-smith and toney-barkley for more examples.
     
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  14. CHAL_DIESEL

    CHAL_DIESEL GOAT Full Member

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    :patsch You guys ever been in the gym and see a guy hitting the bag like hes George Foreman, only for him to get in the ring and look completely foolish? Ali's opponent was ****ing shot in his damn stomach, how could anyone possibly sit there and give him credit for that? Ohhh yea same people who give him credit for his "wins" against Sonny Liston. HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH Wladimir, and Vitali would stop Ali in less then 6
     
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  15. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Williams refused to leave the dressing room at the start of that fight FFS.:lol:

    Yeah put me in a ring with a guy in a wheel chair and I will look great too...:patsch
     
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