Ali vs Wladamire Klitchko who wins

Ah that explains it. It's combatdeboxeo.

For old times' sake, allow me to explain my original post in greater detail. You sound like you need all the help here that you can get.

In the original post it doesn't provide any time frame for the two fighters, therefore we can assume that it's prime versus prime. And prime versus prime, Wlad isn't having much more success against Ali than Bugner did using a similar style against a past-best version. He might take rounds, like Bugner did, but he ain't winning the fight using stand-off-jab-and-cross-heavy approach. Ali slips he jab, like he did against Bugner, lands his own right, like he did against Bugner, and does enough to earn two-thirds of the rounds fought, like he did against Bugner.

Competitive fight? Sure. At least to a degree. But pretty clearly Ali's to win.

There. Hope that helps.

 

your comment was one of the dumbest that i did read ever on this forum..

 

As opposed to the multitude of crap you spew on a regular basis. If you don't know anything about Bugner, you shouldn't comment, child.

 

, PROBABLY YOU BORN in the 90s. bye kid:hi:

 

Born long before then, child.:hi:

Now, do us all a favor and read this post again, and see if you can understand the meaning of the word "analogy".

What in that particular post do you object to, princess?

 

first of all.. just saying bugner and wladimir klitschko in the same phrase it hurts my eyes..

 

But they used a similar style. Stand off, work the jab, drop the right behind it every now and then, and step back. Wlad was obviously better and hit harder (though Joe likely had the better chin) but then again, peak Ali was quite a bit faster than the one that faced Joe. We already saw how peak Ali dealt with a taller stylist who worked off the jab when he shut down Terrell. I think Wlad at his best does better than Ernie...but not well enough to win. I think he fares just about as well as Bugner fared against faded Ali in the 70's...even if Ali is peak. Peak Wlad's good enough to take rounds against any version of Ali. He's just not good enough to win against Ali when the GOAT was at (or near) his best.

Got it?

 

joe bugner was 6´4 and he weighed 225-230 pounds, wladimir is 6´6 and his weight is 250 pounds, he is faster, much stronger, he hits much harder, he is more skilled,he has better reflexes, he is a much smarter fighter and he is probably better in every department except maybe the chin, but it is irelevant here because ali never was a big puncher.. davis haye hits harder than ali and he could not ko wladimir and i doubt that 70s ali could tire him and stop him late because wladimir is very smart.... apart of it yes i go it... i pick a peak ali 67 to beat him in a pretty hard fight. i don´t pick 70s ali.

 

Ah, but Wlad still tends to fight the same way. And Ali at/near his best did pretty well at moving in and out against taller guys who used that style. He did pretty well at making his foe miss and countering with sharp right hands.

As I said, WK is obviously better than Bugner, and hits harder, but he's faced with someone who is faster than he is, whose defense is good enough to avoid getting tagged with any more than one shot at a time, and whose chin is solid enough to take that shot. Even in the early 70's, this holds true, although I could see a decision being pretty close.

One other thing...

Ali wasn't a huge puncher, but he wasn't feather-fisted either. Ask George Foreman. If Ali cracks Wlad flush with a right over a jab, he can hurt him. Or he can bust him up with punches, too. Either way, it's not like Wlad can expect to walk through Ali's punches...if he does, he's not even gonna make it to the final bell.

 

Comparing 2010s champion to 1970s champion is pretty silly and not fair.
Ali is an all-time great but Wladimir would be too big, too strong and too skilled for him.

 

Ali, it'd look just like the Earnie Terrel fight. Klitschko would never get to use his long reach because Ali's fast hands would render his reach useless. The question is when does Ali knock him out if he chooses to.

 

Ali had a bag of tricks but most of them were mind games and the ability to adapt. He did very well against the slow heavily muscled guys like Liston and Foreman...he struggled in 3 fights with Frazier losing 1 and won 2 fights against Norton losing 1....Vlad would be the biggest and most talented opponent who could box, Jab punch and move. Lets face it Vlad has both amateur and professional experience so Ali would not have the edge there.

This is a tough fight for both men prime to prime...Vlad would have to adjust to Ali's speed and mind games but the best answer to that would be a stiff jab followed by the right hand a few good left hooks. Ali had a cutting jab but I know for sure Ali never faced a solid fast Jab like Vlad with a very good but underused left hook behind it and a rocket like right hand......Ali would try and open Vlad up with speedy combo's but could be dangerous with a strait down the pike puncher like Vlad....Ali could punch but not enough to crack Norton's noggin...Stamina may be an issue and Ali could fight 15 and would be trying until the end...Vlad is well conditioned and I don't think 15 rounds would be an issue ...tough battle and how some strong factors play out would make the difference and Vlad has a hellova hook when he throws it Chambers,Austin and Peter 1 (12th round

 

WK was rope-a-doped by a 90s journey who was 18-20 called ross purrity, are we really having a discussion if Ali would win? I cannot tell if people here are joking.

No tall fighter could ever beat Ali because there slow hands were to easy to avoid but more importanly WK moderate speed hands wold never touch ali it would look just like the terrel fight all over. Sure WK has more weight but it doesn't matter, in a 15 rounder he'd like have to drop down to 220 anyways and even if he didn't he'd never land on Ali, Ali would jump in and hit him dance him , anytime wk got close Ali would pop him first. Only jack johnson could get near a prime ali

 

I'd pick 67 Ali over him but still.

 

It is really laughable, a guy who is roughly ali's height, and was not even in the top 20 of the 90s, beats klitscko using the strategy he invented and people ask, could Ali beat him?