Ali was not the greatest Boxer ever. Mayweather was.

Boxing2019 · Feb 5, 2024

Ali is one of the three Hws ever and one of the five best boxers ever.

Mayweather is only one of the best 10 boxers ever because Alis feats in the ring are extraordinary Mayweathers ones are only good for lack of great opponents. Stop.

Scotty Cork · Feb 5, 2024

BCS8 said: ↑

Neither are the best boxers in history. You could argue that neither crack the top ten.
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Ronin Pham · Feb 5, 2024

Floyd lost to Castillo.

Scotty Cork · Feb 5, 2024

KINGWILDER said: ↑

The existence of Mike Tyson among others completely disproves your claim of Ali being the most overrated. The guy has the deepest resume in heavyweight boxing history, including the likes of Norton, Foreman, Liston, Lyle, Shavers, Patterson, Frazier. The take of him being overrated is really without merit and lacks any real substance.
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Holyfield had Lewisx2, Foreman, Holmes, Tysonx2 Mercer, Douglas, Moorer, Dokes and Thomas. Thats number 1 imo.

KINGWILDER · Feb 5, 2024

Scotty Cork said: ↑

Holyfield had Lewisx2, Foreman, Holmes, Tysonx2 Mercer, Douglas, Moorer, Dokes and Thomas. Thats number 1 imo.
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Holyfield is a great and his resume was certainly stellar but he lost a lot of big fights (no shame in that). I personally rate Ali’s win over Foreman, wins over Frazier, Liston, and Norton (third one was certainly highly controversial but still) higher. Plus he beat a lot of other solid guys like Williams, Patterson, Lyle, and Shavers. I think his resume, followed by Lewis and Holyfield are the best ever at heavyweight.

Usyk is the best · Feb 5, 2024

Serge said: ↑

Floyd did lose he just was too much of a fraud and a chicken to ever fight outside his home country in his PED enhanced prime or fight prime greats without cripling them at the negotiating table like a female dog. He lost to JLC, crude caveman Maidana beat his ass and would've knocked him out had Floyd, again, not been too much of a chicken to allow him to wear a perfectly legal pair of puncher's gloves.

Worst of all, Floyd went life and death and very nearly lost to a terribly inactive semi-retired well past prime Oscar who had one foot in the retirement home, the other in an opium den, and who had only fought once in going on three years and should've been 1-3 in his last 4 fights and had only seen six incomplete rounds in the last 32 months.

Oscar should've been 2-5 in his last 7 fights. That's the version of him Floyd fought but people actually think Floyd would ever have stood a chance against prime active Oscar?

That's some next level Olympic level mental gymnastics

Prime Oscar whose balls were 1000 x the size of Floyd's little peanut bollocks would've 100% beaten his ass with ease, and likely dropped him and probably knocked him out. Let's not forget that Floyd was badly hurt a bunch of times in his PED enhanced prime by Chop Chop and a PED free Shane, and he was made to pull a no mas in the gym by Spadaforda who not only completely outboxed him but completely outslicked him and we all know Floyd struggled against slickness.

0-0-0 rank novice Sugar Money Mac outslicked him in the first 4 rounds while he still had air in his lungs for goodness sake

Not to mention his shameless cowardly ducking of a prime Manny who he smeared as being a PED cheat despite the fact it was him who was jacked silly on PEDs, concocted that whole ''clean up the sport'' facade in order to duck Manny, had to pay Manny a hefty out of court sum and issue a groveling apology to him for his accusations after Manny's legal team requested Floyd produce his medical records in court which he refused to do because he knew he would incriminate himself and expose himself as the PED cheat we all know he was.

Floyd wouldn't even contemplate going anywhere near Manny until he saw him sucking the canvas for half an hour like an asthmatic sucker fish after walking onto a JMM right hand bomb. None of Manny's 50 plus other opponents refused to fight him unless he underwent FLOSADA testing. Only Floyd. That tells you everything you need to know about the kind of fighter and 'man' Floyd is.
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Spot on! Great analysis.

You've forgot to mention that Zab Judah knocked Floyd Mayweather down with a single punch. Surely, Floyd wasn't hurt as badly as against Corley or old Mosley, but it was clear KD.

Also, if official record means so much, then Calzaghe and Ward should be ranked right after Floyd, as well as Ricardo Lopez. In fact, Lopez retired undefeated with more fights.

NoChin · Feb 5, 2024

Whoaaaa look out. Maybe Sugar Shane Mosely was the best boxer ever after his win against Margerito. A signature victory. Let's judge him at his best. That win over De La Hoya too. Since no one was better than Ali in his prime. Let's give Mosely the same deal then. Yeah it's a joke but see the point.

Mayweather went undefeated across all those era's from 1996 to 2017 - That's 21 years. How many losses did he have? Exactly. How many times did he taste the canvas? Exactly. How many times did Ali lose? How many times did he get dropped? If Ali can't manage his career and go out of his prime, who's fault's that? A career is a career from start to finish Mayweather kept himself in impeccably great shape and never tasted defeat. He retired and came back and was still boxing at a high level. Let's not forget him getting ripped off in the Olympics. Ali is not the greatest because he calls himself the greatest and a lot of people go along with it and also remember one with rose coloured glasses.

All you can do is beat whoever is front of you in your era and in Mayweather's era all you have to do is look at his resume. No one can deny the fighters that he beat. There were many, many great names. He had a better career. A career is that. What you do from start to finish.

You can say Ali was the greatest. But he wasn't the best. Mayweather was.....

TBE - The BEST EVER

James Hudson · Feb 5, 2024

Must be a quiet news day for this dribble to appear for the 1000th time!!!

Serge · Feb 5, 2024

Usyk is the best said: ↑

Spot on! Great analysis.

You've forgot to mention that Zab Judah knocked Floyd Mayweather down with a single punch. Surely, Floyd wasn't hurt as badly as against Corley or old Mosley, but it was clear KD.

Also, if official record means so much, then Calzaghe and Ward should be ranked right after Floyd, as well as Ricardo Lopez. In fact, Lopez retired undefeated with more fights.
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Thanks

Yes, he struggled against Judah's slickness who dropped him and Emanuel Augustus' slickness too

Imagine what a prime juiced to high heaven Shane would've done to him if that PED free version he fought whose gas tank mysteriously ran dry after 3 or 4 rounds when he wasn't on his PEDs damn near knocked him out on his feet?

Yes exactly.

ellerbe · Feb 5, 2024

CooperKupp said: ↑

Jose Louis Castillo 115-111
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No

Kiwi Casual · Feb 5, 2024

Put them both in a ring and Ali knocks him out in the first round. This PFP rubbish is for people with small man syndrome.

Noel857 · Feb 5, 2024

Terry Marsh never lost so surely he is in the conversation

Loudon · Feb 5, 2024

NoChin said: ↑

Ali lost. Plain and simple. Mayweather never did. Maybe once people claim, regardless he won ALMOST every fight and never declined. He walked out on top of the game and his health remains impeccably intact. Be beat the best and never got K.O'd and dominated across so many different era's. He got knocked down once only because his hand touched the ground. Barely got dropped. He beat several guys and their career was never the same like Ricky Hatton, a rejuvenated Shane Mosely among others. Canelo won one round against Floyd. ODLA, Pac, JMM, They all destroyed or came up short.

No one worked as hard as Money May and he's the best athlete that ever lived imo. Yes, Boxing requires athleticism. He's an athlete, not a 100m sprinter or marathon runner. So get that through your noggin.

TBE - The Best Ever. Fact.
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I’ve been a member here for almost 12 years. And this is one of the worst posts that I’ve ever seen.

I can only assume that you’re trolling.

It’s written like a social media casual.

Joeywill · Feb 5, 2024

Mayweather has a great case for greatest boxer of all time espescially if we are talking pound for pound.

50-0 6 division champ. Even if you want to say he lost to Castillo he avenged his loss and completley dominated Pacquio and Canelo. Great career.

makzy · Feb 5, 2024

Boxing fans are sadly still stuck in the past and not ready to admit it, but yeah, Floyd is clearly better ability-wise.

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