Ali watches Liston stop Patterson

Cambridge English dictionary:

significant
adjective
important or noticeable:





Google dictionary:

sig·nif·i·cant
adjective

sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy

1. synonyms: notable, noteworthy, worthy of attention, remarkable, important, of importance, of consequence, signal; More
   
   
   
   
   
   
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The lengths you go to in order to attempt to denigrate the likes of Liston and Foreman as well as pretty much any heavyweight post Holmes is quite frankly pitiful. You go to incredible lengths trying to boost up opponents your favorites like Marciano and co. beat yet post truly outlandish things about opponents of guys like Liston, Williams and say Tyson faced.

Williams was matched to win big? Like whaaaaat? Not many are going to fall for this. When the #3 and #6 are matched one is not likely expected to win big.

21 pounds? Aren't you one of these guys trying to marginalize weight differences at heavyweight? Isn't Daniels 6"4? Certainly no mention of this eh.

You also reduce yourself to placing importance on how many seats were filled in what sized stadium in an effort to take further credit away from Williams? Really? Refer to paragraph #1.

Cassius Clay many months earlier had embarrassed Ingo in a public spar prior to the Patterson rubber match. Ingo didn't land a punch in 2 rounds and they called a quick halt to proceedings.

Why don't you tell us why the Clay fight was stopped? Wasn't a cut by any chance?

Williams was shaken? He was rocked in round #1 and dominated thereafter. How does getting rocked detract? The guy was rocked and came back to dominate! Holmes was dropped by Snipes and rocked by many but always came thru. Louis was rocked and dropped by many. Again, the lengths you go to......

Key word being "after". Bodel fought Daniels almost 3 years after Williams did. Again, the lengths you go to......

Of course it was extremely impressive. He beat the #6 rated heavyweight by convincing decision. Lets see what those who mattered thought -

"Third ranked Cleveland Williams scored a bloody unanimous decision Saturday night over 6th ranked heavyweight Billy Daniels in their nationally televised 10 round bout. Daniels rocked Williams in the 1st round with a whistling right to the chin. But after that round the fight belonged to Williams, who stalked Daniels like a big cat throwing effective punches. Williams opened up a cut over Daniels' right eye in the 3rd round, another one over the left eye in the 8th round and bloodied Daniels' nose in the 9th. Daniels was in trouble several times, and he slipped twice but he was never knocked down. In the explosive 9th round, Williams staggered Daniels three different times with powerful jaw-crushing left hooks. But each time the game and crafty Daniels managed to clinch until the cobwebs cleared from his head." -United Press International

 

In this instance Noteworthy seems about right.

 

What a load of rot. Levels are almost everything. If Duran beats McCrory then Hearns has no style/size advantage yeah?

If you aren't anywhere near good enough style ain't helping much.

 

Unfortunately you didn’t realise that Williams fought Daniels twice. The second time, after Daniels was crushed by Mildenburger in three rounds Billy met “big Cat” again. And Once again big puncher Williams went the full distance and outpointed this guy that Bonavena upended in one round. Then, only one year after Williams outpointed Daniels Jack Bodel emulated this result. One year later.

outlandish. Moi? You are the one calling a noteworthy matchup in a bare arena that went the distance “extremely impressive”. Have you seen the film? I have. Billy did quite well in the rounds that I saw. The first half of the fight was pretty darn even.

Williams is being picked to emulate Sonny Liston against Floyd Patterson on this thread isn’t he? Now to make that kind of case usually an example of impressive knocking outs of reasonable calibre opponent is required.

And you came up with an “extremely impressive” emulation of a Jack Bodel points win over Billy The Barber Daniels?

And I am the outlandish one? Come on John. You can do better than that..

 

This would be a good point had Duran beat McCrory. But he didn’t.

“Style advantage” is a made up internet term. Reach advantage, size advantage are both valid. But style? It is not an advantage in itself because there are gameplans for all styles to beat other styles. Do you follow? You can’t make an arm shorter so reach remains an advantage. It can be overcome but the arm is still longer. Style? Well that represents just how somebody stands, how he uses his punch selection it has nothing to do with how he implements a game plan.

A coach can say to his boxer “this guy is wrong for you, I don’t like you against him” because he knows about levels, he’s seen the guy knocking out people at an advanced level. Style didn’t come into it.

In boxing fighters are coached to stop the other guy doing what he does best. There are gameplans for each style of fighter to overcome each other style. It’s all very simple.

Floyd Patterson flattened guys with Sonny Listons style. He did not flatten Sonny Liston though. Sonny was better than the other ones.

You can’t throw Williams into this On style alone. ​

 

Would anybody not know they fought twice? The focus is when they fought as the #3 and #6 ranked contenders. Was Daniel #6 in the rematch???

Bonavena hadn't even fought Daniels when Williams rematched him let alone upended him in one round.

James Tillis went the distance with Mike Tyson 7 months before he pole axed Trevor Berbick in 2 rounds. Tillis prior in his prime was belted out in 1 and 8 rounds by Witherspoon and Page. There are thousands of examples of fighters going the distance with better more dangerous fighters than those that knocked them out.

It was extremely impressive both on film and via respected reports of the day. You need to open that second eye

I haven't made any mention of such a claim. The absurd claim on this thread is you trying to put forth #3 vs #6 was not significant or important etc which of course is a joke.

So all points wins are the same? What next.

 

He thinks bill mcmurray compares to Cleveland Williams...enough said

 

Stylistically comparable. Stylistically.

 

OK.

Noteworthy then.



note·wor·thy

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1. interesting, significant, or unusual.
   
   synonyms: notable, interesting, significant, important;
   
   
   
   

 

You are killing it mate hahaha. Talk about cornered!!!

 

Yes ok noteworthy is kinda important. The fight, if it was once noteworthy, soon became forgettable. And it’s impact on heavyweight history ultimately became zero.

 

Bottom Line..

Floyd would have a lot of trouble going toe to toe against a 6’4 215lb slugger with the left hook, handspeed, movement, and aggression of a Cleveland Williams.

 

Fair point. Floyd could have some trouble. Or he might not. He could do better than Mcmurray or Powell. Maybe not. It’s probably somewhere between how well Liston did and mcmurrays fate.

There’s certainly nothing on Williams win record that proves he can emulate Sonny.

 

Are you still bringing up McMurray and Powell?

Nothing in their record suggest either compares to Cleveland Williams.

McMurray fought some common opponents as Williams:

Rischer, Machen, Herring. McMurray was knocked out by Machen and Rischer and lost by decision to Rischer and Herring. He went 0-4 vs these men

Williams knocked out Herring and Rischer and drew with Machen. He went 2-0-1 vs these men.


Powell: Lost to Rischer whom Williams knocked out in 3 rounds. You make a big deal out of his win over 34 year old Valdes, but Alex Miteff and Alonzo Johnson beat this same version of Valdes. Williams knocked out Miteff and Johnson in 1 and 5 rounds.