Ali waves off fight and ref stops it

Quarry was much better in the first fight...he (Quarry) was younger, less beefy and was doing rather well...according to Norman Mailer...Ali was getting hit more in those 2 and a half rounds than he did in all his pre-exile defenses. It was that freakish cut....and that only that caused the fight to be stopped...not that he was getting the bejabbers beat out of him like in the rematch.

 

Red C,,,,

I agree. Jerry Quarry was in great shape.
He was snapping his punches, and had just started to close the gap.
Muhammad Ali looked like he was starting to gas-out a bit.

One wonders, if that cut never occurred, what that fight would have looked like in Rounds 5 and above.

 

I think Ali had him well in control during those 3 rounds, especially considering it was his first for 3.5 years. I don't think Quarry was much better in that one.

 

Ali has said himself he was gassing fast. His legs wasn't prepared for his movement in the first 3 rounds.

 

I think it was a blessing for Ali to have opened a cut that bad...a real stroke of bad luck for Quarry, as he may have made things a bit interesting for Ali.

 

Oh come on Bokaj..look at the fight again, you know he was better than that rematch. The rematch was Jerry's worst ever showing....for whatever reasons.

 

Quarry didn't and wouldn't ever look against Ali. He was at his best as a counter-puncher, but Ali gave him nothing to counter. Eddie Futch would tell Ken Norton not to try to counter over Ali's jab, which was too fast, but to jab with him. Quarry of course never possessed a dominant jab and he wasn't too willing to pay the price for coming in. He wasn't ever an aggressor really.

 

I think most people will agree, the Jerry Quarry that fought Muhammad Ali in 1970
was a very good fighter, who just happened to catch a bad break.

If anything, Ali was the one who was showing fatigue.

And by Jerry Quarry's own account, Mac Foster hit much harder than Ali.

 

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

 

You can't discount the fact that Ali was better himself in the rematch. That probably explains most of the difference in how Quarry looked in the two fights. A difference that isn't nearly as big as you would have it to start with.

EDIT: But Quarry may well to some extent have been affected by seeing his brother getting brutally KO'd. He didn't seem totally focussed.

 

This.

 

Quarry was probably better in the first fight but it's not like he got anything done until the moment he got cut so it's difficult to say whether he could have presented Ali any problems or not.

Before the second Ali fight, Quarry did have the unfortunate privilege of watching Bob Foster send his younger brother to a near coma, but as a professional he should've been prepared for it. There just wasn't anything he could do with an Ali.

 

Quarry once more demonstrated his durability in this fight. Towards the end of the sixth Ali lands a very hard right flush on the already exhausted Quarry. But Jerry not only stays on his feet, but also fights back. Which clearly pisses Ali off.

 

No he wasn't Bokaj, and it had zero to do with the difference in Jerry. Jerry came in unprepared and his body showed training hadn't been able to tighten him up, he showed none of the boxing form and skills he had used in many bouts we saw, not even the form he had in his off bouts like his second go with Tony Doyle, etc. He simply had nothing boxing wise in the second Ali go whatever. Ali by comparison was already slower then in the '70 go and himself not able to be as physically defined. Jerrys form in the first go was as sharp as Frazier 1, in his movements, punch thowing, layout, the whole lot,,,there is zero comparison to him here and Ali 2,,,you have had many good posts but you have struck out entirely this time.

 

Scenario 1: Quarry, who would go on the best run of his career after this fight, for some reason was totally unprepared for one of his most important fights.

Scenario 2: Quarry was prepared, but perhaps had bit of an off-night and was made to look inept by an Ali in brilliant form, having one of his best perfomances post-exile.

You know which I'm going for...