Ali- Who could have beat him?

He was damn close to his prime when they did. The smallish, plodding Frazier (easily by this eras standards) and chinny Norton would be beaten by many modern HWs.

What was his prime? Late 60s Ali. My comment is the same.
Modern HWs besides LL & K bros beat prime Ali. Next ! :yep

 

Decker...Lol. Name one noted boxing trainer that agrees with you.

 

Since you don't know...lol....Alis prime was during his first reign as champion. there was that little thing of him not being able to fight for 3-4 years. It was after this he fought Frazier and norton. So no not damn near his prime.

 

Sonny Liston is not a decent opponent? One of the most feared hwts to ever live. Borderline ATG some say ATG. Ali toyed with him. Terrell was a title holder and highly regarded as was Chuvalo. Patterson was the former two time hwt champion. None of the opponents Ali faced in his first title reign came close to beating him. It shows your complete ignorance that we are talking prime Ali but you bring up past prime Ali in an attempt to make your idiotic idea have some semblance of merit. Aside from his prime wins he is the only man ever to ko for a 10 count Foreman and the only man ever to stop Bonevena. Only two men ever stopped Frazier...one was Foreman...guess who the other was? Not bad for a feather fist huh? Ali beats Morrison like a drum..no contest as he also does to both Klit brothers. Don't believe me then ask...Roach, Atlas, Rooney. Don't believe them ask Tyson or Holmes. Want more expert opinion? Let me know.

 

:good Spot on.
What the nostalgia guys do w/Ali is marry the skinnier, faster pre 70s Ali w/the heavier, somewhat harder punching post 70s Ali. I know Ali is a hero, almost messiah to some fans :nut, and you can not reason w/them.

Many fans think Ali was 0-2-1 vs Norton. Ken clearly won the 1st one, and many think he was robbed in their 3rd fight (the 2nd could be called a draw). Ken was quoted at the time saying "Ali was bigger then boxing". Now Norton was a top HW in that era. He was very close to Ali in size. Norton was also somewhat chinny but Ali was not a huge puncher - as he admitted himself. Vs many top modern HWs Norton would be defeated - easily by LL & K bros. Same for Ali.

 

Such a load of complete garbage. I and the entire boxing world laugh at you.

 

In the 50s/60s yeah sure, NOT TODAY. I seriously doubt any top modern HW would be scared of Liston You keep confusing :blood the past w/the present.

He might beat Morrison, but gets stopped or easily UD by either K bro.
Those old trainers and fighters - all US and US biased - should know better. They're just playing to the old timers and fans like you who can't handle the truth

Why would Holmes or Tyson want to give Lewis or especially East Euro HWs any credit :think

 

Name one Noted Euro trainer who feels any of them would beat prime Ali. Please post references.

 

Yawn...i see Glover aka Tommo has another account.

Son, the '' lol '' and the '' ! '' gives you away everytime.

 

Houdini, you keep this up and your new Indian name is going to be "Dances with Trolls"

 

i agree , funny because tons of ignorant people think that foreman was a natural 217 pounder.. hahah he was drained like hell at 217 pounds against frazier, joe weighed 214 and 224 vs foreman, and george weighed 217-224 vs frazier 1-2, and still he looked a giant next to joe, and frazier weighed as much as foreman and he was much shorter... it is simple, foreman had huge frame, doe snot matter the weight, guys like pinklon thomas, trevor berbick, spoon... all them weighed as much as foreman in some points of their careers because they packed muscle in their bodies, foreman was just skin and bone at 217... foreman in the amateurs at 18!!! weighed 226-230 pounds, all you guys have the videos on youtube, funny because lewis and bowe weighed 216 and 220 in the amateurs at 22 and 23, i think that just vitali weighed 225 pounds when he was 18.... george foreman was a natural 230 pounder and he could carry more weight if he had trained weights just like lewis did. antoher stupid myth is that david haye is as big as ali... lmao!! ali never trained a weight in his life, and he weighed 212 pounds in his prime, he had pretty big frame in his legs, head.. haye is packed of muscle and he got barely 210 pounds and skinny chicken legs... if ali had trained in a gym he could carry 230 pounds easily without fat... but he would not have been the same ali at boxer .. they people usually think that the weight or the %fat determines who is naturally bigger... it is 100% wrong.. a bodybuilder is all muscle and zero fat.. but his weight is not natural.. the frame is the key factor to know who is naturally the bigger man

 

I think a better conditioned and more strategical focused George Foreman could´ve have gained his revenge, if he had fought Ali in 1975.
Foreman´s jab was perfect against Joe Frazier. His intention was to keep Frazier at bay behind the jab and moving forward pressing Frazier backwards and out of balance. Foreman was diciplined having no idea of the outcome - Fraziers left hook always dangerous -
and the jab did´nt work well in Zaire. It was lazy - Foreman believing his right hand could finish matter as soon as Ali got cornered.
Working behind a diciolined left jab in the never to have happened sevcond fight would have given Ali more trouble than he could handle. Forcing Ali to take the initative. A different fight a different Foreman and a different result.

 

You may be correct about the lighter weight, but I'm not entirely sold on that position.

I think Joe embarrassed himself less than Frank Bruno later did in getting clocked silly at the end of the opening round against Cummings. [And if that had been the knockdown punch it came so close to being, Frank may not have beaten the count.]

Joe's best weight for me was probably the 203 for Chuvalo, Bonavena II and Jerry Quarry I, but he was a dedicated trainer who focused on minimizing his weight, and still came in at nearly 230 for Jumbo.

I don't consider him to have embarrassed himself against Cummings. He hustled well, displayed good energy, speed and skill, and still had the stamina to win round nine. Measured against the standards of the FOTC and Manila, the draw with Cummings fell far short of the mark, but not as a self contained event. [Having watched it a few times, I think a draw was a reasonable verdict, and that a more competition sharpened Frazier would have won a rematch.]

Past his prime and at 224-1/2, he actually moved surprisingly well in the Foreman rematch.

My point is that as a young man, he easily could have weighed 225 to 230, before failing eyesight and arthritis began to progressively compromise him. If he disregarded what he weighed strictly in favor of optimal conditioning, he could well have come in at considerably more than 205. [He also moved pretty well against Ron Stander at 217-1/2.]

Given Joe's lifelong weight control priorities, and the reality of a 15 round limit, I don't think Lennox would ever have gone much above 220 to 225. [Frazier very easily could have been a shorter Buster Mathis, but extended his lifespan 15 years beyond Buster's by applying what he learned as a boxer about weight control. Despite Joe's numerous long term health issues, bad genetics and spine splitting car accident, he extended his life a respectable degree through having taken up boxing.]

 

Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman in a rematch

 

You are putting emphasis on size when there should not be. Frazier was quick as a whip and had incredible ko power in his hook...especially so as a converted southpaw...sub 210 pounds and that was his best prime weight. The Cummings fight was an embarrassment from round one on to the end. I watched that fight live and also recently on YouTube. Joe was as shot as a fighter could be. No speed, no timing ....nothing.