"Ali-Young" of '76 was iffy at best in action, yet Ali did edge Young.

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there is no doubt in my mind that a prime motivated Ali would have ****ed Young up, but that is not the Ali that showed up in the ring

Ali has an awful lot of apologists who just won't accept that he lost to lesser fighters or struggled with them once he started declining

 

A few things, I think young took a knee when Ali was leaning on him hard not from being punched, an exelent move for young, as the red allowed Ali to do anything he wanted, except just going home in the middle of the bout from frustration and embarrassment. Also, you really gotta TAKE the title from the champ is the dumbest line in boxing. Winning on points IS taking it from the champ. Their are no speicial rules for different scoring for a championship fight, either by rds, 5 pt, or 10pt must scoring system. Oh, Ali in shape woulda kicked his ass, another load of ****, remember old Jimmy against young mike dokes, mike was missing and getting countered nicely by Jimmy, I thought Jimmy shoulda got the win, close however. Ali was a LOAD, everyone loved him cause he was a loudmouth, nevermind that he was a draftdodger, racist, demeaned his opponents, nice funny little act he had though, and I do really appreciate his talents too, just not sucked into hanging from his balls as so many are. He's a freKimg LOAD, take it from Ernie, Kenny, Jimmy, Leon, Alfredo of all poeple.

 

I don't think I scored a fight for him after the thriller. Should have retired then.

 

Surely you had him up against Holmes before that premature stoppage?

 

When I have one points difference (the first time I had it a draw) over 15 rds with many close rounds I could never call it a robbery. I didn't remember which scores the judges had, just that Ali won. 72-65 is a horrible scorecard, but that doesn't make it a robbery anymore than the 118-110 scorecard in Hagler-Leonard makes that fight a robbery. I'm just looking at win or lose when I call fights robberies.

That Ali retained his title in a very close fight where the challenger behaved in a way that most consider unfit for a champion is no surprise whatsoever to me. Yes, judges shouldn't perhaps put such emphasis on if a fighter behaves like a champion or not, but they are only humans after all and are bound to be swayed by such things. As all fighters know coming into the ring.

I mean, if Leonard gets flak for "shoeshining" Hagler and dazzling the judges, what does that mean for Young? Sticking your head out between the ropes is unheard of for me in championship fight, and in a close fight you really make it easy for the judges to give the other guy the edge by doing things like that.

 

He employed that tactic in five rounds all in all, I think. In one round he got a standing count for doing it, so that's a 10-8 round for Ali.

 

Well, I might be wrong, but I think he actually took a knee, without counting as a knockdown. But even if it did counted as a 10-8 round for Ali, I still don't think he did enough to win the fight. Robbery or not, he shouldn't have won in the first place.

 

I gave him Norton III, Shavers, and Spinks 2. So to each his own. Although he probably soups have retired.

 

Yea, judges are human, and they're also professional boxing judges. Casual boxing fans may be swayed by some bull**** in the ring, but most guys on here and pro judges should not be. Guys on here might favor ther'ye guy a little, that's a tough one, you score what you like, but pro judges have a certain criteria they score on, they should stick to it, it's NOT natural or acceptable for them to be swayed. It's an easy gig for them, if they can't be honest, they shouldn't be there. But us guys, it's the real rules, and of course while I'll appreciate a slicksters artistry in the ring, someone else might favor them loudmouthed exrvert for farting or pushing a guy down from the neck. Or, just ther'ye guys style. No way Ali beat shavers, I watched that very recently, Ali got his ass kicked bigtime, I thought there was no doubt

 

signing all your posts when your name is already displayed in the top left is some really ******ed cheesy stuff :-((

 

So you have Ali winning the decision over both Young and Norton in '76, right?

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Get thee to the eye doctor, fast!

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:deal..Nice try MRBILL, but it don't wash..Young was robbed royally. Ali won because he was Ali...plain and simple.

 

BILL, just because you don't like the style of the fighter who won dosen't change the fact that he won....