Ali's real Height

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Bummy Davis, May 24, 2013.


  1. heavy_hands

    heavy_hands Guest

    why are you responding this crap? did you take this kid seriously?
    gf a cruiser... hahaha this puppet is laughable
     
  2. Manu Vatuvei

    Manu Vatuvei Active Member Full Member

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    Holyfield was listed 6'0.75" in the amateurs. He was shorter than Will Smith ffs. You along with many people on this forum live in a fantasy world where the listed heights are all accurate.
     
  3. Manu Vatuvei

    Manu Vatuvei Active Member Full Member

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    Can you please advise why you believe this and what possible reason a heavyweight would have to dehydrate?
     
  4. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali was healthy when I met him and still sharp minded and fit, wider shoulders than I expected, he had dress shoes on and a suit, I would say he was about 6'2 or so could have been slightly taller but I dont think 6'3, he had decent heels on his shoes,now Frazier was not tall but not really short because his neck, shoulders and head where think and Joe was a scary looking dude, I would prefer having to shoot him than fight him.
     
  5. Bobo

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    Foreman was clearly taller than Holyfield, Morrison, and especially Moorer who are all listed at 6'2. He was taller than Ali and Ron Lyle during the face off at the beginning of the fight, who are both listed as 6'3. Also Alex Stewart who is listed as 6'3
     
  6. Manu Vatuvei

    Manu Vatuvei Active Member Full Member

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    None of Holyfield, Moorer or Morrison is 6'2" though.
     
  7. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually, the football player standing next to George Foreman is listed as being 6'2'', and they look equal height!

    Also, just my two cents, but I met George Foreman in 1999 at South Coast Plaza in Orange County. He was there hawking his grill. I'm about 5'10" (actually, I'm 5'9 1/2 barefoot), and George didn't seem all that tall to me, definitely not what a 6'4" guy would look like.
     
  8. AnthonyJ74

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    Foreman is a lot fatter than Lewis, so a lot of Foreman's bulk is adipose tissue. Just saying.

    Also, I recall Lewis being listed in the amateurs as being 6'4 3/4", not the full 6'5", but pretty close!
     
  9. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ive met the younger foreman age 27 or so, he was around 6 ' 3' at most 6'3 half'. but he may have kept growing a little as he did seem taller in film when he came back. all of the fighters i met where very close to their stated height. i imagine ali is 6 3 or very close to it.
     
  10. Anubis

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    George himself would be the best one to ask about why he was specifically dried out by abstaining from fluids the day before a match, but Edwin L. Haislet's seminal 1939 instructional manual "Boxing," may offer a clue as to the original source for this idea.

    On pages 107 and 108, Dr. Haislet writes:

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    From where did Haislet obtain this conclusion? Was it established orthodoxy by the time he published his manual, was he forwarding it from an earlier source, or did he actually popularize the concept?

    Dr. Ed Haislet [October 2, 1908-May 8, 1992] was the boxing coach at the University of Minnesota, and Director, Northwest Golden Gloves [which were won in 1932 and 1933 by Minnesota amateur phenom, and future University of Wisconsin boxing coach John J. Walsh, whose own 1951 manual "Boxing Simplified," closely mirrored Haislet's earlier text, but illustrated with photographs instead of the photograph based line drawings Haislet used]. Dr. Haislet's instructions [and Walsh's] were studied by Bruce Lee and other prominent martial artists.

    We never heard about any students of Haislet or Walsh making a splash in professional boxing, because they both hated punch for pay boxing with a passion, and successfully instilled that disdain in their students. [Haislet himself had a doctorate, while Walsh held a law degree. Athletic competition was not then a career choice for collegiate sportsmen to consider.] Two of the few collegiate champions who did turn professional were Billy Soose [from perennial NCAA boxing power Penn State], and Chuck Davey [Michigan State]. Heaven knows how boxing history might have changed if the well schooled pupils of Walsh and Haislet had turned professional. Soose is in Canastota. Davey holds wins over Basilio, Graziano and Ike Williams, and is in the WBHOF.
     
  11. heavy_hands

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    does not matter if you are fat, if you are not wide of shoulders your fat don´t make you wider,just more fat, lewis was fat also in this video, foreman had always a wider frame than lewis, toney was fat but he was not wider of shoulders ... just compare a 18 years old foreman in the amateurs with a 23 years old lewis in the amateurs.... foreman was clearly builker
     
  12. heavy_hands

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    if you look it well, foreman was a bit taller, (even when he did not have hair and the other guy yes)and it can be explained because the shoes of both guys..
     
  13. heavy_hands

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    george foreman was a natural 230 pounder in his 20s and the guy never trained in a gym...
     
  14. Bummy Davis

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    none of them are as tall as listed, I am going to say based on me meeting Ali and the photo's i have seen and the guys that knew him well that he was about 6"2 (which was still tall for his era) he may have been a a hair taller but Ali was short of 6"3, Foreman was a bit taller than Ali possibly an inch. Lennox was listed as short of 6"5, Holmes may have been a solid 6"2.5 or 6"3, Cooney I met a few times and he is about 6"5...Vlad and Vitali I am not sure, Vitali looked taller than Lennox but not by 3 inches so Vitali may be close to 6"7 and Vlad close to 6"6

    Tyson, Frazier where closer to 5"10 that 6 ft and even though I heard people say Marciano was surely 5"11 he is always crouching or bent legs and looks shorter. James Toney is 5"9 and Dwight Quawi was 5'6
     
  15. choklab

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    Floyd Patterson was the shortest 6 foot heavyweight of all time. They must have included his quiff. Evander holyfeild was never much more than 6foot having met him he did not look like a heavyweight and this was around the valuev fight so it was much after his cruiserweight days when he was originaly listed as 6'1'' before growing extra inches for tale of the tape as a heavyweight.

    I think its time we all accepted that most fighters listed as 6'3'' were over 6 feet but rarely much over 6'1''. Foreman and Ali were were possibly closest to this height because they appeared taller than others listed of an equal height.

    Ali and Foreman were big guys. They did not buy off the peg and looked stupid sitting in chairs that were too small for them on chat shows. Heavyweights are a size bigger than average people after all but these two were big men by any standard.

    I have met a lot of fighters and not many were as tall as advertised. I imagine if you know you are 6'1'' and a guy as tall gets away with calling himself 6'3'' you are going to do the same.