Ali's Trash Talking would help him beat any other HW in history.

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  1. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I think Muhammad Ali's psychological warfare puts him above the other HWs in history. No matter how steel minded the opponent, Ali's trash talking will make the opponent make mistakes, especially in an emotional state like fighting. I can't imagine Mike Tyson being able to stay focused for 12 rounds under a steady barrage of psychological warfare, never mind lesser heavyweights like Tyson Fury.
     
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  2. BCS8

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    Yes I can see Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko intimidated by a trash talking midget :rolleyes:
     
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  3. Decker

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    Ah another cringe thread to praise Ali and get in a dig at Fury. The latter good at the war of words himself, so why pick him? Hopefully to generate traffic and likes.

    You mean like when he called Joe Frazier a gorilla and made fun of his African features? I suppose bc Ali was less African heritage than Joe it's okay:shakehead:
    It's amazing the crap Ali got away with and his worshipers sweep under the rug. If the internet and social media existed then as it does now, he would've been heavily criticized for that kind of psychological warfare. He'd have to change his war of words.

    By 90s & certainly 2000s HW standards Ali is a small, light punching, w/good speed HW. Past his early 30s that good speed was declining. He was 34 when he got a gift decision vs. chinny Ken Norton.
    Based on recent to current era, he's not intimidating any top HW - mentally or physically.
     
  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Frazier and Norton weren't intimidated by the trash talk and they beat the stuffing out of Ali.

    2012 Emanuel Steward: "Tyson Fury is one of the top 3 talkers in heavyweight history and would probably talk over Ali."

    Wasn't Ali psyched out a bit by Ringo or whatever?

    Mike Tyson was easy to aggravate and could be bullied by guys who weren't intimidated, especially bigger guys. 178 pounder Holyfield had his number even when they were amateurs, intimidated him in the pool room and got the better of him in sparring.

    "Fury’s psychological warfare was so effective that former cruiserweight and heavyweight titlist, 75-25 favourite, KO artist Haye was willing to damage his reputation, waste a training camp, sacrifice a £5 million payday (also letting his team down), forfeit the chance to beat Fury (as well as the option of an ultra-lucrative rematch if he was beaten while cut in a war, Haye’s alleged cut being a built-in excuse for losing) and retire in order to pull out just 7 days in advance of their much-anticipated fight."

    Did Ali ever get a guy (let alone a seasoned titlist/champion) to pull out with his trash talk/psychological warfare?

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  5. Redbeard7

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    People might call Ali a nonce if he were around today. They wouldn't appreciate him turning up at certain rallies either.
     
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  6. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I can see the fight going down like this: Fury would be trying to match Ali speed for speed in the ring. They'd be jawing at each other, Ali slipping jabs and daring Fury to hit him and Fury missing. After being further irritated by Ali, fury would resort to swings with Ali goading him and countering. Inevitably Fury would try to bull rush him like he did Wilder, making the situation worse for himself.
     
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  7. Contro

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    Youre the one connecting gorillas to africans.
    I would argue theres plenty of white or asian people who look gorilla-esque.

    Oleg Maskaev and Dennis lebedev also look like a gorilla
     
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  8. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    HEY! I resemble that remark!
     
  9. fruitandnutcase

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    Ali's trash talk was effective because of the times. Fighters today would laugh in his face (though he'd probably still beat them)
     
  10. Omega74

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    Good speed? Let me correct you. The Fastest heavyweight boxer of all time.
     
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  11. HyperionAlpha

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    prime for prime....Marciano by KO. and others.
     
  12. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That midget, in Ali, is faster in hands and feet and has better boxing technique.

    This isnt David Haye we're talking about...
     
  13. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali beats every single HW in 80s, 90s, 00s and up. Some fights might need a bo3, like Lewis or Vitali or Tyson or Holmes or (whoever). But most HWs get humiliated by Ali and either cleanly outboxed or surprisingly stopped.

    Size isnt everything and if you havent seen Usyk fight I can understand your ignorance but - let it be known - skills pay the bills and Ali had more skills, speed, heart, stamina, and drive than anyone I mentioned. He just wanted it more.
     
  14. fistsof steel

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    Testament to how Great Ali was is when Rummy did the Top 50 best fights ever Ali had 3 of his fights in the Top 10 and number 1 was Ali V Frazier.....Was an ATG and an absolute Legend end of story.!!!
     
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  15. BCS8

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    Vitali and Lennox aren't microscopic Frazier we are talking about either.
     
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