Ali's Weight...

I dont buy the weight issue too much either i mean look at little Doug Jones who was 180 something and he gave Ali an extrememly hard fight.....

Marcianos best weights were between 185 and 190

 

Yes but he was between 5 10 1/2 and 5 11, Ali is 6 3.You would expect a mature Ali to scale around 212 - 220,wouldnt you?

 

I think that Ali was more susceptible to being decked when he was lighter. Banks and Cooper dropped him when he was still a gangling puppy and he was decked as an amteur by Alan Hudson if I remember correctly as well. When Ali finally filled out his frame only Frazier was able to drop him. Foreman and Shavers could'nt do it nor could Norton so I think being bigger in a natural kind of way did help Ali absorb shots that might have felled him when he wa still a fledgling HW not quite 200lbs yet.

 

Size isnt just weight - its also reach and height

Fighters who fight face first and don't have physical advantages or are against superior boxers often come unstuck. Hence the problems Marciano/Dempsey would come up against. It would be similar to Ricky Hatton moving up to face Winky Wright or Trinidad at 154

 

Ok, I fix it.

 

With the modern day before weigh-ins, Ali probably wcould have dehydrated and been the biggest lightheavy ever.

He did get naturally heavier and thicker though, lots of heavies do. ALi was a solid 210 a few years later.

 

Watch Ali toy with Foster, himself an oversized lightheavy - Ali was definitely a full blooded heavy.

 

The thing about Ali during the 60's is that he not only got bigger and stronger, but also faster. He never was faster than he was against Williams and Terrell, for example. 212 seemed a very natural weight for him. He looks perfectly proportioned at that weight.

Concerning Marciano. If he's goes headlong into the punches of a monster like V. Klitschko who's something like 60 pounds heavier I can't see how he would survive. Klitschko wasn't clumsy and unskilled like Carnera, but quite fast for his weight. Under those circumstances the difference in weight, reach and height is just too much.

 

i don't think ali's weight had anything to do with being decked when younger,i think he was basically less disciplined and stuck his chin out,as he did against cooper.when he returned he realised he'd slowed down,became more savvied and basically rode with the punches,frazier apart he always seemed to take the huge shots of your foremans,shavers etc.with his head down and his chin tucked in.

 

Someone on this site pointed out Marciano naturally weighed 210-215lbs, but trained so hard that he basically shredded off 20+lbs. This is conceivable considering some of his training camps were extremely long, and some of his reported roadwork and training habits were unbelievable.

 

Ali's best weight was the 238 he weighed for Berbick! hehe j/k

 

Ali was 4 years away from even challenging for the title and obviously still growing. Ali weighing 188 vs Metiff means nothing in the size debate.

 

Really?

Could the V Klit beat Valuev?

I'd appreciate Klits being kept off the classic section until they actually warrant discussion. Either that, or include why Valuev would beat them both in the same discussion.

 

A guy like Brewster goes head first. Marciano relly had some defense to his attack.