All Fights should have a mandatory standing 8 Count!!

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  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I actually like standing 8 counts, but if they happened more frequently we'd probably be complaining about the bias/favoritism used by refs even more than we do now.

    edit: Fighters need to realize when to take knees. I see it all the time, it's what I yell at the TV the most about in fights (considering how it isn't all that often), it's just some macho-ism feeling they must have to never take a knee when it clearly would be in their favor.
     
  2. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not really.....

    We see fighters take bombs and reel off to the ropes. Then the opponent gives chase and begins to tee off......this either causes a KD or signals a stoppage unless the fighter is a protected hypejob in which case the ref will usually look for the one low shot and break the aciton and give the hurt fighter 5 minutes to recover:yep

    But seriously.....when a fighter is rocked, it doesnt always signal a stoppage, but it is usally followed up with an attack as his opponent looks to tee off.

    Refs, at their discretion, should be able to signal a standing 8 if the fighter is not throwing back.:deal
     
  3. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    It can open up a serious can of worms. The problem of the ref jumping in prematurely, will still remain (and even enhanced), because it can pave the way for them forcing standing 8-counts when a fighter isn’t even hurt that badly. He’d be inflicting a 10-8 round loss on him for no reason. And seeing as though we’re still not out of the age of corrupt refereeing/judging, you could create a serious ****-storm with these mandatory standing 8-counts. I mean, just imagine it. The referee, effectively, is being given the power to inflict a knockdown round on someone. Do that twice in one fight, and you can drastically influence the result of a bout.
     
  4. Malcolm

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    It sounds good in theory but it'd be terrible if it meant an 8 count every time a guy took a hard shot. Still the worst case scenario is not a reason to automatically discount a rule change. I don't like to see fights waved off when the guy never went down. Give him a count and a 10-8 round. It could possibly mean that guys take more punishment cause their given a chance to recover and then receive more punishment. Maybe guys like Amir Khan would hand pick Refs who'd give him a count every time he got wobbled rather than risk getting stopped. Like most things in Boxing it's not s much the rules it's the way the rules are manipulated to suit the bigger name fighter.
    As an example perhaps Razor Ruddock should have been given an 8 count against Tommy Morrison rather than the fight called off. I think the stoppage was justified under the rules as Ruddock did take some heavy shots whilst he was covering up and he wasn't throwing anything back but perhaps he would have recovered with an 8 count. In fact now that I think I think he had already received an 8 count. I'd have to watch that fight again.
     
  5. MannySteward

    MannySteward Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't remember seeing this happen during the days of the standing 8 count. I have never seen it over used.
     
  6. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    A lot of unneccesary 8 counts would be given imo
     
  7. bw51

    bw51 Active Member Full Member

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    for real, the british pro refs stop fights faster than amatuer refs
     
  8. GrandSlam

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    Aren't refs supposed to give a standing 8 count even now if it's their belief that the ropes were the only thing preventing a fighter hitting the deck? I could be wrong but I'm sure I've seen that somewhere.

    In the Froch/Bute fight, at the time of the stoppage, the ref actually waved Froch away in order give Bute a standing 8 count, although it was obvious to everyone else he had absolutely no idea where he was and was in no state to continue.
     
  9. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    :rofl
     
  10. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Standing 8 counts are not good. The fighter will take too much punishment since every time he is hurt badly he will recover and then take more damage. Anytime a fighter is hurt badly they should stop the fight.

    In all honesty the 10 count is horrible too. For a fighter to be on the canvas and not be able to get about until the count of 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 means he is heavily damaged.
     
  11. Saltzy

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    Marquez got up at the count of 8-9 in the first Pacquiao fight of the 1st round and went on to make the fight a draw... some fighters can recuperate better.
     
  12. Abdullah

    Abdullah Boxing Junkie banned

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    The standing 8 count is a stupid, amateur rule and should NEVER be used in the pros. Has the OP ever heard of a fighter taking a knee? An experienced pro should know to take a knee if he is getting knocked around to that extent. The three knockdown rule is also a stupid rule. Imagine if the Pacquiao-Marquez fight had used the three knockdown rule. There probably never would have been II, III and IV.

    I agree that referees do stop fights prematurely sometimes, but a standing 8 count is not the answer. This would completely take away the advantage the fighter in control has gained. Basically, if you aren't a one punch knockout guy, you might not ever get a KO.
     
  13. SugarShane_24

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    Standing 8's are okay.

    It's the three-KD rule that is ****.
     
  14. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All of you people are against it, are basically in favor of premature stoppages, like De leon mares. The ref is going to jump in regardless, except if he made the wrong cal, at least a fighter only lost a point as to having a KO loss. Nothing else should change. The refs should use the same judgment the use now when stopping fights, only instead of stopping the fight completely, the ref can admisiniter a standing 8, that waym if he did accidentally make the wrong call, and the fighter was not really hurt, he's only cost him a point instead of the fight. Its not perfect, but its better than an undeserved KO loss.
     
  15. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why should a guy have to take a knee if he's not hurt? I've seen plenty of times where a guy is covering up blocking all the shots, he's not hurt, but the ref get caught up in the moment and stops the fight prematurely. In the heat of the moment, human referee are going to make bad calls, at least a standing 8, would minimize the damage of that call.

    And what you said at the end makes no sense. You can still get Ko's the old fashioned way. If after receving the sanding 8, the guy is still on unsteady legs, in lala land, then the ref can stop the fight in good consicence, knowing that he had time to properly assess the fighter and make the right call.