All opinions welcome - Rating Floyd Mayweather as a skilled ATG

i favor him vs arguello whether 130,135 or 140

 

I think Alexis Arguello's right hand hits Floyd and knocks him out in the mid rounds. Floyd would have a tough time with Alexis anytime. I think maybe Floyd could eek out a win at 140 if anything, but below that the right of Arguello finds a home.

 

Delahoya is top100, and if you have Morales for Pacquaio, he was arguably further past prime than DLH, Morales at 130 wasn't as good as a prime Corrales at 130, why didn't Morales come to 130 when Casamayor, Freitas and Corrales called him out?

Corrales/Castillo/Hatton all may come to rate top100. Like for like Judah is a modern Camacho. Hatton/Castillo perhaps a modern day equivilent of a Zivic/Lamotta/Nelson type. Corrales was a comparable 130lb Tito Trinidad pretty much and was possibly a more fearsome 130lber than Cervantes was a 140lber

You also have to bare in mind the best fighters avoided Mayweather, Mayweather wanted Hamed at a 128catchweight when Hamed was unbeaten, he wanted Mosley at 135 when Mosley was unbeaten, he wanted unifications with Hatton/Cotto in November 2005, he also wanted Mosley instead of Baldomir but Mosley was getting dental work/vacationing

Anyway top100 ATGs is completely subjective, what we know is Floyd fought 20title fights over 5divisions, fighting around 20 top10 ranked fighters, and fought 6 top10 P4P fighters from his era (either current/before/after) and around 12-15champions (either current/before/after). The fact is he took very little punches and won wide decisions or stoppages against the majority puts him up there with the best of all time.

 

I personally see Mayweather as one of the most overrated fighters in recent history. His resume is weak. To be an ATG you have to fight the best. Floyd didnt. No matter what gets said Floyd constantly used money as an excuse to avoid fighting a dangerous opponent. He symbolises everything that is wrong with boxing.

We will never know exactly how skilled he was because he did not fight the best.

The worst part of it is that some "fans" have bought into the hype Mayweather created and claim that he is an elite fighter. There is literally no evidence to suggest he is an elite fighter. I think Corrales is possibly his best win and I dont rate Corrales at all.

He is bad for boxing, and the sooner he is forgotten the better IMO

 

Floyd Mayweather Jr is an elite fighter. Why would anyone dispute this?

 

Exactly! Some of his fans base his legacy on who they think he would beat. That's not how it works, or at least it's not how it should work. I've said it once and I'll say it again, a fighter's greatness is determined by who they managed to beat. Anybody can outpoint Carlos Baldomir, but what good wins Floyd does have (and there is some: Corrales, De La Hoya, Castillo), does not constitute to listing him among the likes of Leonard, Pep, Whitaker, and the list goes on.

 

i personally think Mayweather is in the top 10 defensces ever. i love his style of defence and it worked really well. Watch it against Hatton, Corrales, Castillo 2 its really good.

against the fighters he dosent do to well against he dosent fight with his defence as movement, and there above his weight above 140 hes crap IMO. im not making excuses though. Also i think you have over looked Victorinao Sosa he gave FMJ heaps of trouble with a jab at Light welter i believe.

All you can do is ask a guy to win and he has, at 130 i think he is in the top 10 is not top 5.

thats my tuppence worth

 

1. I thought you were referring to Pacs win over Morales, Pac has excellent wins but many more poor performances than FMJ, hence no right minded person rates him as high

2. Actually pre-Barrera Morales resume is very weak, outside of Pacquaio and Barrera it is weak, no Hamed, Marquez, Mkkinney, Bungu, Harrison only moved to 130 after all the best fighters left the division

3. Castillo has 1 of the most impressive LW resume's ever, Corrales destroyed the best 126/130lb/135lb fighters of his time, Hatton has wins over Tyszu, Castillo and been no1 at 140 for 4years

You claim Cervantes is a great win for Benitez but in terms of what he achieved he is probably below Hatton, Castillo, Corrales

4. Both Judah and Camacho lost against the best they faced and both relied on speed and athleticism, I do question if Chavez got a past prime Camacho anyway though.

Judah gets quite underrated, hes had 16title fights, has quality wins over Spinks, Witter amongst others and has been P4P top10 and various times

5/6. Based on skills, a handful in history have the same combination of defense, speed, stamina, technique, skill, chin etc. Against Hatton and Corrales he dominated and stopped 2 unbeaten top5 P4P fighters without taking any real punnishment, both hardly landed anything of note. What more do you want?

Do you level the same accusations at SRR, his competition level is nowhere near the level of other top GOAT fighters and never faced the best men in the divisions he fought

I put to you that you simply don't like Mayweather's fighting style at 147 or above (as outside of Castillo he wasn't negative). He can be a defense first fighter when facing bigger men, this can seem to show lack of offensive talent. He also doesn't waste punches, or throw shots that can be countered, this too can look boring and seem to lack ability because he isn't windmilling. I also put to you that Mayweather won too easily in some fights hence making it look too easy.

The simple fact is in terms of percentages of shots thrown and landed Mayweather barely took any clean shots and nearly always landed clean effective blows. This in itself, hit and not being hit, is something FMJ does aswell as any fighter in history. Other fighters that can't boast this and need come from behind KO's simply don't have the same ability

 

Powerpuncher i respect most of your opinions but when it comes to Mayweather you have rose tinted glasses on and overrate him.

Im not critiscing you we all overrate some fighter, i overrate Hagler according to most people.

Do you really think Mayweather is in the top 10 or 15 at 147 i think Mayweather at 140 and above is rubbish compared to 130. However i do think talent wise and defence wise he is up their in the top 20s

Just look at it again and you will seee you overrate him abit too much.

except from that i respect your opinion most of the time

 

Mayweather would not be top 30-40 at 147. Period. The guy didn't do anything significant at that weight.

 

agree completly

i think he is in the top ten at 130 IMO

 

:bart I disagree.

I think we can all get a bit anal when it comes to discussing what really is "Boxing skill". I think at the crux of it, it's the ability to hit and not get hit. Frazier is not comparable with a Mayweather, who is more comparable with a Sweet Pea when it comes to being effective, both offensively and defensively.