All opinions welcome - Rating Floyd Mayweather as a skilled ATG

i agree with selfkill i think skills are hit without being hit. that is also my definition for boxing not jabbing and moving

 

Boxers are a bit like paintings. They can be considered art, even if on first glance they are just a big mess. Frazier, on first glance, looks like a bit of a mess. He clearly had ability, with his extensive amateur career considered, but he sacrificed being hit to get to his opponents. Mayweather was a different ball game, and because he was equally effective in all categories, I would consider him the more skillfull guy.

We may have some people on here go into acute detail on all the subtle things Frazier did in his career, but he took a lot of shots over the years. The argument could be made that he got hit more than Floyd because he fought better fighters. But...Floyd is the boxer, Frazier is the skillful brawler.

 

it is a narrow definiton but i use i to describe a boxing skill/technique

like pep, pea, locche had excellant boxing skills whereas SRR, Frazier, duran had better fighting skills

 

You asked, Dina, in what fights did he show all-world skill-set. Answer: Against every fighter he fought, to one extant or another. From Genero Hernandez to Diego Corrales to Ricky Hatton, PBF exhibited a more complete and finely-tuned skill-set than virtually every other fighter who has ever set foot inside the ring. Hernandez will likely make the HOF at some point, as will Corrales, and Hatton, too...so it's not like PBF's resume was completely devoid of quality.

I consider Ricardo Lopez to be among the top 50 fighters who lived, even though his opposition is perceived as being weak, simply be virtue of the fact he dispatched of the opposition that he faced in pretty convincing fashion. Well, in the vast majority of his fights, Floyd was similarly dominating, against a batch of fighters who in general were very good.

Clearly you have your opinion on this matter, Dina, and that seems to be that Floyd somehow shouldn't be considered an ATG (whatever that means), or that he was somehow overrated (even though that terms is entirely subjective). I tend to think that, all things considered, Floyd did a hell of a lot of good work throughout his career, and that he should be credited for that fact.

I guess we agree to disagree...

 

i think maywetaher has the better boxing skills of duran but duran has way better fighting skills of duran

so my definition of skills isnt that far away from you mcgrain as you think as i rate fighter skills as higher as they are needed more.

 

does anyone think victoriano sosa gave maywetahr trouble with his jab or is it just me

if i was making a plan to beta mayweather this is the fight i would pay most attention too

 

i dont think taht at all but believe boxing skill are hit without being hit. i appreciate what i call fighting skills better like Duran is a perfect example of this his subtle moves up close etc...