All opinions welcome - Rating Floyd Mayweather as a skilled ATG

But unlike Ross, Duran and Armstrong, he didn't beat an elite welterweight (Oscar was no longer elite when Floyd 'beat' him and it didn't occur at welterweight) to PROVE that he is elite.

Unlike Mayweather, Robinson, Ross and Armstrong were still facing an excellent level of competition at welterweight, so that they didn't get around to face everyone isn't the blight it is for Mayweather who faced B-class guys at welter.

He'd face them only if he wanted to prove unequivocally that he is the best. He was more interested in proving that he is the richest. And that's still what he wants to prove to us, looking at his recent interview where he is boasting that he has 300 mil liquid.

It's comments like this that strip you of any credibility.

Who gives a **** how heavy Hatton is? On fight night at welterweight, Hatton nearly gets KO'ed by Luis Collazo. That he weighs 160 whilst doing it only backs up how average he is at the weight.

The key ingredient Oscar needed to trouble Floyd, his speed of hand and foot, he left behind five years prior to their fight.

None of these guys got exposed from fighters the level of Floyd's comp. Had they faced Floyd's level of comp they'd all be undefeated and we'd all be raving about them.

We'll never know for sure, Floyd didn't show us exacrly where he was at. One thing is for sure though, anyone that is filled with confidence in his abilities after seeing him struggle with a 34 year old DLH, is giving Floyd too much benefit of the doubt.

 

1. Actually Armstrong/Ross both feasted on B Class WWs and avoided the very best WWs like Burley, Williams, Wade, Eddie Booker, Cocoa Kid themselves. If your calling Hatton/Judah B Class. We know the best the How are 2 P4P fighters B Class? Oh and before you complain about Mayweather fighting the 140lb champ Hatton, what about Armstrong having 126lbers fight him for FW defenses?

2. So Mayweather is only interested in money yet Robinson ducks the best of his time and isn't Do you know anything about Robinson

3. YAWNS, yes DLH and Tito are the best WWs ever despite the fact neither had any head movement and both were realtively easy to hit, happy now?

4. The claim Hatton is a small WW is clearly BS, hes a ripped 155-160lbs on fight night. Hattons resume speaks for itself

5. DLH never had better speed than FMJ and he never had better skills

6. You can bad mouth Floyd's comp at WW but DLH lost to Mosley who lost to Forrest who lost to Mayorga who lost to Spinks who lost to Judah who lost to Baldomir who lost to Mayweather who beat Judah.

Its also a fact that the best of those WW champs in Mosley didn't want to face Mayweather and turned the fight down at 135 and 147

7. That wasn't his best performance but DLH is a great, he did weigh 15-20lbs more, he did choose the ring/gloves and FMJ still won 8-9rounds. Anyway all those WWs are naturally bigger than FMJ anyway so saying they'd beat all his comp is true but not a fair comparison

 

Ricky looked like **** at 147. Collazo had him beat, in my opinion, and Ricky should have known not to fight at that weight again.

Floyd does beat Ricky at 140 also, but this is merely speculation and we don't work on speculation. Considering how good Mayweather is, his resume doesn't stack up. Sorry.

 

Armstrong beat guys like Barney Ross, Ceferino Garcia, Davey Day, Ernie Roderick, Pedro Montanez and Lew Jenkins at welterweight.

Ross beat guys like Jimmy McLarnin and Ceferino Garcia multiple times, Izzy Jannazzo (who beat the likes of Williams and Cocoa Kid) and the Woods bros at welter.

Both had way superior resume's to Floyd's at welter. Judah was not p4p at the time Floyd beat him and the only reason he was ever p4p ranked was because he was being hyped as Pernell Whitaker with power. He got exposed, and he disappeared quick smart from the p4p charts.

As for Hatton he had already proven to be thoroughly average at 147, and the only reason he snuck in the p4p ten before he faced Floyd is because he beat a thoroughly finished Castillo. The Collazo fight alerted a lot of people to his limitations.

It's one thing to duck guys and fight who Robinson did, it's another thing to not fight certain guys and fight who Floyd did.

Well, they had their limitations, but they had their pluses too, which far outweight the guys you are comparing them to.

I don't claim Hatton is a small welterweight. I claim he is an AVERAGE one.

Doesn't matter, an increase in speed and Floyd is in deep ****. Anyone that denies that is delusional.

Doesn't change the fact that Floyd's comp at welter is sub par and that he didn't prove himself beyond reproach there. Which is really all that is being claimed.

Mosley and DLH would probably still be undefeated with comparable weight adjustments.

 

1. Again they aren't facing the best men at the weight in their own time. They took the belts from the champion just like FMJ did and neither beat great champions

2. Judah was an enigma that never reached his true potential, but he still fought 16world title fights, beat Spinks for the undisputed WW championship and had even more speed/athleticism than FMJ. Most consider the Baldomir loss as Zab looking beyond the man in front of him, he was far more focused and at his best against FMJ. Thats the reason Zab was P4P

3/6. I don't like Hatton but average fighters don't beat Tyszu and Castillo and also have wins over many titlists including the strongest man ever at 140 in Urango, you can quote me on that, not a great boxer but hes a sheer physical beast. And at the end of the day he beat Collazo

4. I don't think Robinson's competition is that great, obviously he has better 147 competition than FMJ, SRR ducked fighters in his prime weight, despite the cherry picker tag, you can't say FMJ did

5. Yes DLH/Tito/Mosley are overall better than Hatton/Judah that doesn't mean they are near being a favourate

7. Judah had more speed than FMJ and DLH, you need more than speed to beat FMJ. DLH didn't have that much more speed at 147, he did have a better engine down the stretch though, he was also technically worse and more mechanical. FMJ himself had slowed by the time he was at 154

8. His opposition isn't great, its very good, its as good as Armstrongs/Ross comp pretty much if you include the DLH fight.

9. FMJ was undersized against his best opponents even at 130, DLH and Mosley were weight drainers who outsized their opponents. How would DLH/Mosley do when heavily outweighed on fight night? The only time this happened for either was against Winky/Vargas/Sturm/Hopkins. Imagine if FMJ had drained down to 122-126 to pick on Hamed, Marquez, Barrera, Morales, Bungu etc

 

Barney Ross beat the great Jimmy McLarnin to win the welterweight title. Henry Armstrong beat the great Barney Ross to win the welterweight title. Floyd Mayweather beat the great...... drumroll.... Carlos Baldomir

They have in common that they didn't face everyone in their own time, but Floyd will have the added bonus of showing much inferior names on his resume.

So he was p4p ranked before he lost to Baldomir? Judah was always a guy with great physical tools but the mental strength of an infant. He arguably lost to a 40 year old Rafael Pineda FFS.

Hatton is a very good junior welter, and a very average welterweight. I think he has a chance to smother and beat the overrated Pac, but not sure if he will. If he does, I'm sure he will be talked up as a great fighter. I don't think he is.

Despite ducking fighters he still has one of the best resumes ever at welterweight. If the guys that were around in his time were around today I bet Floyd wouldn't even contemplate a move up to welterweight.

If they aren't near being favourites then you're not near being serious.

How was he more mechanical at 147 than he was against Floyd? He basically did nothing but plod forward with a high guard against Floyd. I love when people say he developed a right hand late in his career, as a way of saying that he improved. Utter crap. His right hand was always substandard. DLH's peak, imo, for what it's worth was before he even got to welterweight, that's what I think.

Disagree.

I doubt he could have. Much of Floyd's low weight was due to him constantly being in the gym, and not allowing himself to blow out much in weight. If he took time off and put on some pounds, he too would have been known as a drainer to get to the size he was. Naturally, I don't think he's all that much smaller than Mosley or DLH. He is a little smaller for sure, but not by more than about a natural weight class in the case of Mosley and two in the case of DLH imo.