All this hate for catchweights when JCC pulled the ultimate one in '93

No. Clearly Floyd is smaller than the other 2.

 

I do believe that fighting at a catchweight would mean that Cotto wouldn't be 100%. But isn't that the idea? Because a 100% Cotto is a Cotto who is 160 at fight night and won't be any slower or weaker going against Pac who will weigh 148 at most. That's a huge disadvantage.

I do disagree with Soriano that Pac won't be 100% if the fight is at 147 because he will weigh the same on fight night whatever weight the fight is at (147-149 lbs probably).

In a perfect world, we would always get big fights where both fighters are 100%. But it isn't, and Pac is a jWW and Cotto is a WW. There's no way they can both be 100% in a fight and still have an even playing field because Cotto is just bigger and stronger than Pac. So to offset the size discrepancy, the idea of the catchweight is that Cotto will still be bigger and stronger come fight, but he would probably only be 80-90% to make up for it.

I guess I understand why it doesn't sit well with some but that's the way it is, they have to even out the playing field so that whoever wins will get props.

I mean, if Cotto won at 147, people will say Cotto was too big, if Pac wins at 140, Cotto is too weight drained. It has to be somewhere in between to give both fighters a chance of getting props for the win. If Cotto doesn't like that then he can always say no. If he says yes then it means he still thinks he can win, so it's a fair game in his mind.

 

I'm not dogging Pac for fighting in catchweights.......


My opinion is that Pac would be at a huge disadvantage against either Mosley of Cotto at 147 lbs, because 147 lbs is their true weights.....the weights where they are comfortable and should be fighting.....

Pac right now belongs at 140 lbs.....obviously if Cotto and Mosley want to fight him, they'd need to come down and at least meet him halfway.....I say thats only fair....


......but a clown like yourself is not going to like it if when Pac beats Cotto or Mosley, there are those in the forum who point to that one or both were standing statues, or punching bags.......fighters possibly dehydrated.......


Speaking for myself, I'm not criticizing Pac if he should fight and beat Mosley or Cotto at a catchweight.......the problem here however is that Pac is opening himself up to be criticized and scrutinized in that there are great fighters in his weight class more than deserving to share the ring with him.

Lets be honest now......Cotto does'nt look so great against Quartey, and all of a sudden Pac is telling Arum, "get me Cotto!"
What kind of **** is that??????

Would'nt you rather here Pac say get me _______fighter after that fighter has put on a great performance???

Would have been great to hear Pac say, "get me Mosley!"......right after Mosley destroyed Margarito......


or

......"I'm proving once and for all that I"m the best fighter in the world.....I want JMM so that I can break him in two!".........right after the Juan Diaz fight after Jim Lampley of HBO had declared that JMM may have outdone any of Pac's KO's when he knocked out Diaz with that uppercut.



Thats what fans want to hear from great fighters......fight the best, not fighters put in a position to be vulnerable.



Dont have a cow now Soriano.....I fully understand why the Pac team is chosing the avenues they are chosing....and its mostly that Mosley and Cotto have the name recognition with the general fan, and that always smells roses on the financial end......I'm not blaming Pac for the avenue he is chosing.....

.....but as a boxing fan speaking who wants to see great and fair fights......nothing would please me more than for Pac to be fighitng, JMM, Guzman, even Juan Diaz and or Edwin Valero........

Check that and add Mayweather to the list......certainly that has the makings to be potentially a great fight at a catchweight......Mayweather from his own mouth has been heard in the past to say that he has to bulk up to make 147 lbs.....so he's a fighter that would'nt be at a disadvantage fighting Pac at a catchweight......I could not criticize that matchup at a catchweight or even at 140 lbs.

 

I'm not going that far because if he is, he's certainly not the only one.......

This whole era of sports is under a dark cloud of suspicion, so I certainly would not think it fair to single out one particular person unless it was proven he was juicing.

 

I believe that also just by looking at their body frames from when all of them were at lower weights......

I do believe that Mayweather is naturally smaller than Cotto and Mosley.......but then I see Mayweather weighing 150 lbs and looking rock solid......seemingly looking even bigger than Cotto......and I say to myself, how the hell is he doing that naturally?????

How in the hell are all these athletes doing it today that they look better physically 15 and 20+ lbs above the weight when they first became world class?????

 

The fans and history gets cheated in matchups where a fighter chooses to drain.......
Cotto might say to himself, " I can go down to 143lbs and be OK the next day......but anyone with a brain if Cotto has a bad performance is going to question whether he was OK.......the same that happened to DLH because he looked so inept......

If we had same day weighin's, some of these catchweight fights would'nt happen because the fighter coming down likely thinks twice about being able to make the weight......

DLH-Pac certainly would have never happened had their been same day weighin's.

Boxing should look to bring the same day weighin back so that we can have fighters fighting in the divisions they belong in.......

Pac would fight as a Welter, Mosley and Cotto would be fighting at Juniormiddle or Middleweight.......

I could'nt imagine Cotto and Mosley fighting at 147 lbs if they had to weighin the same day of the fight.

 

This could very well be true, that's why I'm hoping Cotto and his team thinks about the weight real hard and back out if they don't like it. They don't really need the fight anyway and I for one would not complain if they back out due to weight issues.

Weird thing about the Pac-OLDH fight is that they were both pretty close to the WW limit during the fight, hehe.

I used to think the same about same day weigh-ins, but I read that the reason they did this was apparently there were sill a lot of fighters struggling to make the weight, and because they didn't have the extra day to rehydrate properly, they were coming in to the ring severely weakened and practically malnourished. I guess both options have pros and cons.

 

well, if both cotto and mosley have to cut around 13 lbs. to make the welter limit, then they should already be fighting at jr. middle (154) instead of welter (147). that's why i have no probs w/ pac fighting mayweather even @147 since both of them are small welters anyway, both weighing about 148-150 during fights. pac should really just wait for the winner of mayweather-jmm if it ever happens. i have this funny feeling that we'll see pac-floyd instead this nov. and jmm, mosley and cotto will all miss out on a big payday in fighting either floyd or pac. floyd-pac is the biggest possible fight out there anyway and its the fight everyone is asking for.

 

I'm massively against the fight and I sure as hell don't come under either category.