All this talk about Paul Williams beating Mayweather...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Outboxer, Dec 13, 2007.


  1. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think the Williams jab makes Floyd's life very difficult. Hoya was able to tame PBF to an extent in the early rounds with his jab, and Williams -- a southpaw with the freakish reach and great stamina -- will flick it at Floyd all night long. He'll miss a lot of them, yes, but it will be a factor.

    I agree with your plan for Floyd's attack, just not the ease of actually executing it. Mayweather would be forced to come forward and get inside his reach, and that puts him in harm's way. Williams isn't a hitter, but his power is OK enough that he got Margarito's attention and won his respect.
     
  2. Lampley

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    I certainly don't think he's the best, just the best matchup against Mayweather. I'd make him a 60/40 favorite.
     
  3. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This isn't even a discussion. We all know that there is no way PBF is going to get in the ring with Williams. Just a nightmare matchup for a guy like PBF.
     
  4. Lampley

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    Margarito eventually decided to walk forward face-first and bring heat to Williams, and I don't think Floyd can or will do that. And Margarito wore down himself just trying to be competitive -- he had nothing left in the 12th.

    I don't think Floyd can hurt Paul but Paul can hurt him (but probably wouldn't), and Paul is much bigger and longer (Margo is long, too). It's a totally different fight.
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I dissagree. There's nothing that Paul does that Floyd has seen in the ring before. He's faced guys over 6 feet before, he's faced guys who throw a lot of punches, he's faced guys who've thrown alot of jabs, he's faced lefties before. Paul on the other hand has never seen, in the ring, alot of the things Floyd could throw at him. Williams' biggest problem is his defense.

    If you want to beat a guy like Floyd, your defense better be up to par. Williams' defense is suspect. All Floyd would have to do is keep moving in this fight. Williams won't be able to get off 100 punches a round against a moving target, and while he's chasing Floyd around the ring he would leave himself open to be countered all night and hit with lead left hooks and straight rights.

    Another thing people might not realize is that Floyd would be the stronger fighter. Williams claims he walks around at aabout 155. Floyd walks around at about 150. So Paul is 5 inches taller but only out weighs Floyd by 5 lbs. Floyd fills out his body better than Paul, and would be able to push off with that elbow with relative ease. This of course would allow him to come in with those straight rights and get in those left hooks when he's on the inside.
     
  6. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But has he ever faced someone with all of those qualities in one package?
     
  7. cpnasty

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    No way! This guy will give Floyd lots of problems. He may be the only one.
     
  8. Lampley

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    If Floyd's plan is to keep moving, he'll simply get outworked by the more aggressive fighter and jabbed to death. Williams doesn't need to be close enough for Mayweather's elbows to be a factor, nor does he need to force Floyd into the ropes.

    Sure, Floyd can counter him at will, but will his one-punch-at-a-time counters off his back foot outweigh Williams' greater aggression and volume punching, particularly with a jab that will be in his face the entire fight?
     
  9. BigReg

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    Let's be real, it's almost impossible to find a guy with all of those qualities. However, he did fight a guy named Phillip N'Dou. N'Dou was about 5 11, threw a shitload of punches(he was avergeing like 90 punches a round going into that fight), and he had a very long jab that he used alot. So while he's not a carbon copy of Williams, he has similar height, reach, and activity level as Williams. The only difference is that he's not a lefty.
     
  10. BigReg

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    Once again, Williams won't be able to get off that many punches if Floyd is moving. Also, Williams' jab is weak. Floyd can time that ****, and counter him all night long. Here's another thing you guys are neglecting. Floyd is a very intelligent fighter that sees everything out there. He has the uncanny ability to pretty much dictate what his opponent does in that ring. Paul is not a highly skilled guy. All he has is his height and reach.
     
  11. klion22

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    Have you ever seem Williams fight? The guy is a machine when it comes to activity. He throws a punch from start to finish. There is no stop. And he's got a long ass reach and he's a southpaw. That is a nightmare matchup for a guy like PBF who likes to pick his spots and counter. You can't really counter against a guy you can't even reach.

    PBF would have to get away from his gameplan and be more offensive minded to win against Williams because Williams' activity will give him a lot of rounds. Maybe that might be a good thing for PBF but that's just not his comfort zone.
     
  12. klion22

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    That's why you are so wrong. Williams doesn't try to hit you. He just throws punches within the vicinity of his opponent just to stay busy. So he's going to throw whether he hits you or not. That's what he does. He just throws and throws and throws........

    And it doesn't matter if Williams' jab is weak. He's not trying to KO. He's trying to win on points.
     
  13. BigReg

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    Yes I have seen Williams fight. You guys need to realize that activity isn't everything. Pretty much every fighter that Floyd has faced has thrown more punches than Floyd. Paul Williams is a relatively sloppy fighter. All his activity will do is leave him open to take big shots from Floyd.
     
  14. BigReg

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    So now you're trying to tell me that it's just as easy to get off punches when you're moving then as when you're feet are planted.
     
  15. klion22

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    Like i said, Williams throws punches from start to finish. He throws whether he's planted or moving. He just throws. He's not trying to KO you. He's just trying to score points by being busy.