All this talk about "six knockdowns" to make Lucky Pac look better than he was

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  1. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pac is lucky the beast wasn't let out of the cage. Algieri took it easy on Pac...
     
  2. lepinthehood

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    I dont think pacman looked great against algieri, it wasnt vintage manny. atleast 2 slips there were scored KDs. Algieri is hard to hit tho, he runs as much as lara.
     
  3. dangerousity

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    If the canvas was so slippery, why was it only Algieri slipping? And slipping only when he got caught.
     
  4. Savak

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    Apart from running around the ring and getting peppered algieri did nothing. Was outclassed, 2 knock downs were slipped but they weren't really a factor in the fight, he did not throw anything which showed he could knock Pacquiao out.

    As for those saying Pacquiao is shot, age takes a toll on everyone but good fighters adapt and still find some ways to win while working twice as harder on their training regime, this is something a lot hold against Tyson for his failure to adapt so why not give pacman some credit?

    People say Floyd is shot too and is no longer the same fighter he used to be which makes a pacman vs money fight even more fair.
     
  5. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I mean, isn't it pretty much commonsense? The guy goes into the fight with plan. he goes down from a slip, a push, another slip and possibly another push....but the ref is calling them all KDs! Now the fight is halfway over and he's behind by NINE points! Of course it's gonna affect his strategy. His whole strategy is based on winning by decision over 12 rounds. but you can't win on points if there's 6 rounds to go and you're already behind by 9 points...you know it's gonna affect him mentally. he's gonna have to do some things that he normally wouldn't do....he basically has to try for the KO which leaves him MORE VULNERABLE to KDs.

    But the thing is, it doesn't just affect algieri....it also affects pac. because now pac doesn't have to press the action and take chances. he's already got the fight in the bag. and if if algieri goes looking to mix it up pac knows he can handle him with ease. so, pac can take his foot off the gas and preserve his energy for the late rounds

    ...if the first three KDs are not called, we go into the last half of the fight with algieri possibly winning the 5th and very likely able to start winning rounds...then the pressure falls back on pac to start taking chances in order to keep his lead, especially if he's starting to fade. that plays into algieri's hands...a very different fight.

    it was the ref who determined the outcome of this fight more than anybody....this is why boxing needs some serious reform.
     
  6. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it is possible that those ring canvas decals were strategic.
    Everyone knew that Algieri would use every inch of the ring. Having fought in a ring with those decals, I can tell you that they are slippery. Many of the knockdowns were a result of those. I'm not saing any one in Mannys camp knew this, but promoters needed Manny to look as lethal as possible, since he hasn't in recent years.
     
  7. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    but notice how NOBODY is even talking about the slips...or the push. every article you read, it's like pac was steamrolling the guy. none of the articles I've read even MENTION except in passing about the fact that 3 and possibly four of those KDs were wrongful. This is because they want to push for a pacman-fmj fight. just like you said...they want pac to look better than he really was. and to me, he didn't look that good. but it's all part of the corruptness of this sport. it's like this sport has zero integrity....i jsuspect a lotta fight fans probably don't even know how to SPELL integrity. so, the promoters and the officials get away with this kind of fiasco.

    I just don't like how everybody from the media to the promoters to the officials treats this sport like some kind of toilet.

    I remember a couple of years ago, the NFL officials went on strike, they got these replacement guys...and the replacements made a couple of bad calls in two games ...and the NFL sports fans threw a fit....and that was it, the league paid the real officals to come backto work. that would never happen in boxing because the promoters and managers know boxing fans are too ignorant, uneducated and have such low expectations and standards they would never demand better.
     
  8. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Pacquiao dominated, but then again it's Chris Algieri. Me personally, I didn't expect anything different.
     
  9. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    well, it's attitudes such as yours that makes it easy for the corruption in boxing to happen. if this had been, say, pac vs canelo, and canelo had slipped and they ref called it a KD, then it happened with a push and another slip, i think the mexican fan base would be up in arms right now tearing HBO, the ref and the promoters a new a-hole...but because it's algieri and he was "expected to lose" people will let anything slide even if it's clearly an injustice.
     
  10. Just Rik

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    Yeah when a ref is that bad it can be like a fighter fighting two people, at the least there is two people occupying his mind. Especially with the low blows, I hate when refs call low blows that aren't. Now you have further limited the target area of his opponent on a botched/bad call. If this was a close fight it may have THE difference, as it stand, we were probably only robbed of a competitive fight with still a Pac victory imo.
     
  11. deadACE

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    I would say the ref was terrible as he influenced the decision. Not only on the scorecards but psychologically.

    Without the refs help Pac was on the way to a win. At no point did Algieri show that he could outbox or stop Pac. So the question of whether the ref cost Algieri the win is mute as Pac was not going to lose this fight.

    Yeah this is business and Pac generates massive revenue so everything he does is treated like its phenomenal to enhance his reputation.
     
  12. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I didn't see the entire fight so I wouldn't know. But from the replays and other knockdowns I saw live, some of them did look like a slip.
     
  13. GrenadeHand

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    You f u c k i n g p u s s y. Take the "luck" away that the referee was supposedly dishing out and Algieri still got his A S S beat. Give credit where credit is due and stop being a lil b i t c h
     
  14. GrenadeHand

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    Pac DID steamroll him, slips or not
     
  15. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There were about 10 swing rounds I can see a draw or even a 112-110 for the New York kid.