All-Time P-4-P Top Ten

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Harry Greb
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Roberto Duran
7. Willie Pep
8. Joe Louis
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Archie Moore

I used to have Gans at 10 but moved him to 11 and replaced him with Moore.

 

My 2&3, as well and 4&5 are tough shouts. I generally have Robinson ahead of Greb and Charles ahead of Langford more often than not, but there are those days when they switch about. The rest is pretty much decided.

Actually I finally got round to drafting a top 100 at the weekend their. Was pissed upon doing it but I'll be damned if it's lost around the house or summit. I'll have a look after 'work' for sure. Picked up a gem of a book to when having a duke round Belfast (36 Incredible tales from the ring). It's an intriguing read.

 

here it goes
1 h.armstrong
2 srr
3 willie pep
4 duran
5 srl
6 ali
7 j.louis
8 hearns
9 b.leonard
10 marciano
i dont like p4p lists unless you take great care you could make huge mistakes i just like to list the great fighters to be remembered genreally all fighters in the IBHOF give oor take a few

 

Nice effort. I'm interested to hear where you'd put Whitaker, Ross, both Leonard's and Fitz. All rate very highly: a few ahead of Duran IMO (whom I seem to have curiously lower than others at #13).

 

1 Sam Langford
2 Harry Greb
3 Sugar Ray Robinson
4 Henry Armstrong
5 Roberto Duran
6 Muhammad Ali
7 Benny Leonard
8 Bob Fitzsimmons
9 Mickey Walker
10 Ezzard Charles

I'm happy with my top 4 as it is but that's about it to be honest, I haven't really given this one much though.

 

I'd say Archie Moore is clearly second tier.

And props to both TommyVercetti and Holmes' Jab for their lists.

 

1.Sam Langford
2.Sugar Ray Robinson
3.Harry Greb
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Willie Pep
6.Ezzard Charles
7.Robert Duran
8.Mickey Walker
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Archie Moore

First proper go at a list. I guess the bottom 4 could be switched around and maybe guys like Fitzsimmons and Gans deserve to be there. I think the top 6 is pretty solid though SRR and Greb could switch as well as Pep and Charles.

 

Did i overlook him or did you miss out Roberto Duran?

 

I don't know enough about boxing from the largely pre-televisual age (or at least the largely pre-quality-televisual age, and I must admit I am a little sceptical how others can be), so here is my postwar pound-for-pound top ten, with no-one included whom I have not seen fight a number of times:

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Muhammad Ali
3.Roberto Duran
4.Sugar Ray Leonard
5.Willie Pep
6.Roy Jones Jr
7.Alexis Arguello
8.Pernell Whitaker
9.Carlos Monzon
10.Julio Cesar Chavez

I have read a lot about the likes of Langford, Greb and Benny Leonard, but haven't seen enough quality footage of them to be able to include them.

 

1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Harry Greb
4 Sam Langford
5 Roberto Duran
6 Willie Pep
7 Ezzard Charles
8 Muhammad Ali
9 Joe Louis
10 Mickey Walker
11 Archie Moore
12 Sandy Saddler
13 Sugar Ray Leonard
14 Pernell Whitaker
15 Joe Gans
16 Tony Canzoneri
17 Barney Ross
18 Eder Jofre
19 Carlos Monzon
20 Julio Cesar Chavez

Benny Leonard was not forgotten; I just find myself facing an impasse regarding the undeniably great and legendary Ghetto Wizard. To place him justly, I feel more research is required on my part. So, until further notice, I have him on invisible ink.

I'm absolutely fascinated that one such as Langford is emerging as a senitmental darling of sorts. I have enormous respect for Sam, but I hold Sugar Ray in even higher esteem. While it will go without vehement contradiction from me, I find it quite baffling that so many have Sam in their top spot. I would have thought that Robinson was a shoe-in for number one. For me, Robinson was the perfect blend of everything you would ever hope for in a fighter, and his achievements put him in a place that will never be matched again.

 

I would love to hear cases for Gans, Canzoneri and Ross. I may have short-changed them when I made a mad dash for 20.