All-Time P4P Top Ten

Not sure how you can save Lewis off the list. Also, would personally disagree with Herol, based on resume not boxing acumen

 

I know their achievements yes. I also enjoy the reaction I get when posting mostly the old timers on these type of lists.

 

What amazes me is how without all the modern nutrition etc they still done 15 rounds and most fighters now with all the advances are bkieung our their arses CO.e last quarter of the fight lol

 

Fitz, Wilde, Driscoll and Welsh sometimes fought in 20 round fights but Fitz and Wilde only went 20 rounds once each as they punched so hard. Welsh had a few 25 round fights that went the D.

I think it was Battling Nelson vs Ad Wolgast that went 40+ rounds which involved lots of holding and hitting as they were so exhausted. The great fighters back then were genetic freaks and super crafty even though some will say they don't look as fit or as skilled as modern boxers.

 

If I am not mistaken Froch only lost too one fighter from North America Andre Ward on points in America. Only North American Hatton lost to was Floyd Maywesther. And Naz never lost to a North American. So if loses to Andre Ward and Floyd Mayweather mean your exposed 99.999999% of boxers are ****ed including Kovalev De La Hoya Pac man and Cotto as they all lost to either Mayweather or Ward.

 

Crazy good that 20 rounds plus it's mental lol

 

I wasn't 100% sure on that so checked boxrec and turns out Nelson went 42 rounds with Joe Gans and 40 with Wolgast. ****ing freaks lol

 

If I was as fit as those guys I could even beat any boxer in the world just now if it went passed 15 rounds and I was still in there as they would be exhausted, not that I would be in there after 15 rounds lol.

 

1) Jimmy Wilde
2) Lennox Lewis
3) Joe Calzaghe
4) Ken Buchanan
5) Benny Lynch
6) Ted Kid Lewis
7) Jim Driscoll
8) Lloyd Honeyghan
9) Jack Kid Berg
10) Randy Turpin

Honourable mentions: John Conteh, Naseem Hamed, Len Harvey, Freddie Welsh

Wilde is the only UK fighter with a reasonable shout at being the GOAT in a traditional weight class, and to me is a clear #1 on this list. It gets very subjective from there and on a different day I'd probably rearrange it from #2 downwards.

 

Any reasons for Welsh out the top 10 ? He's considered to have fought the toughest competition out of all the Brits. Benny Leonard three times, Ad Wolgast three times, Packie McFarland twice, Jim Driscoll twice, and Battling Nelson, Abe Attell, Johnny Dundee, Rocky Kansas, Charley White, Willie Ritchie, Johnny Kilbane.

 

Hamed you can make a argument for given his power was destructive but the first elite fighter he faced he got handed a new one,the fact he didnt get knocked out was one i give him praise for.Hatton However i dont understand he seems to be worshipped but his record was full of hasbeens and granted the Ref in the Mayweather fight was a **** for not letting him fight inside but he was overrated.

 

I meant in terms of North America,well US Specifally is where all the best boxers congregate from Europe,South America,North and the Rest of the world are.All our fighters except for Lewis havent performed their and that is where you are judged as Elite.Froch got beaten by Direll on Points and was robbed which people tend to forget.Ward-Froch was never 2 points it was more 8 or 9,Froch was Outclassed and Apprantly Ward had a Hand Injury going in aswell.Hamed was also Played with by Barrera and had a few lucky descions regarding him getting Knocked down in other fights.Hatton had a poor record it was full of old hasbeens and granted Cortez didnt let him fight inside he was still a Average Fighter at best during a poor time for British Boxing.

 

Mine would go like that . Are you Welsh btw seems like a Welshman list?

 

I originally had Welsh in there, but moved him out for Berg and Turpin as the list seemed too heavily weighted towards early 20th century fighters.

I find the no-decision era difficult to rank to be honest, and Welsh's title reign was slap bang in the middle of it. At this point in time it's very difficult to establish what exactly happened in some of his major fights; there are suggestions that the win over Ritchie was controversial for example. Welsh also seems to have used the no-decision clause to his advantage as champion, knowing that he only needed to avoid being knocked out to keep the title. The counter argument is that this was the best way to make money as champion, and champions at the time weren't thinking of how their legacy would look a century later if they didn't get newspaper "decisions". Did Welsh have so many newspaper losses because his opponent was better, or because the aim was to fit in as many fights without losing the title?

He probably deserves to be ranked top 10, and I can understand the reasoning if he was put in the top 3. It's very difficult to compare Welsh's resume though to modern fighters.