All-time pound-for-pound who do you rank higher: Griffith or Arguello?

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  1. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    I rate Arguello higher and consider him the better fighter as well. Alex left no room for doubt as to was the winner in most of his bouts, the same cannot be said for Emile who was the beneficiary of several rather questionable decisions during his career.

    To name a few I recently rewatched his first two bouts vs Jorge Fernandez and felt the Argentinian won both fights clearly, the first one 8-2 in rounds with a big round 4 were he staggered Emile repeatedly and had him rubbery legged. The return bout I had 7-3 and he again outhustled him and stunned Emile a number of times throughout the bout.

    Then of course you have the four bouts vs Luis Rodriguez which most of you know I had Luis winning, and then you have both Joey Archer fights that could easily gone Joeys way the first one especially. Emile fought the better competition overall, but Arguello did better against his top opponents than Emile did and was much more consistent throughout his career and that rates him higher in my eyes.
     
  2. horst

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    Hmmm, two Classic heavyweights squaring off...


    Who is making the more convincing case here? Either of you guys wish to respond to the other's post?

    I myself find it very difficult to separate the two, I'm hoping this thread can sway me by bringing up a perspective I hadn't considered.
     
  3. horst

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    Sweet Pea has voted Arguello, but no comment as yet. Hopefully this will be forthcoming....
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    As much as I love RB, his post basically comes down to what he makes of close Griffith decisions. I agree with his general point. But the fact is no poster's positin on close decisions as called by pro judges should have that much impact upon a fighter's general ranking. Before every major fight, judges, employed by governing bodies are briefed on judging criteria. No posters are. Posters judge fights from 100 years of boxing based upon personal appreciation, in the end, meaningless.

    Boxing has been scored very, very differently since 1890, dependant upon judges appreciation of a given fight. A 1950's judge would judge a 1990's fight differently than a 1990's judge. I think that has to be respected.

    Yes, Griffith turned up some disputable decisions - but based upon the juding of his era. His wins, in close fights, should be respected as far as his ATG ranking is concerned.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Dependent, of course. If a robbery has occured, then OK, subjective opinion takes on some meaning. RB has seen the Fernandez fights, and I haven't, so his opinion has to be respected.
     
  6. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :deal:dealHey POPKINS!!!! THis says it all right here:deal What more do you need??? It shows that Arguello has the better resume,and better record on the championship level,not to mention his ability to end a Fight with one punch. He was much more consistant than Griffith,and beat more champs,won more titles. He was a top 5 feather of all time, probably the greatest Jl of all time. Also a top 10lightweight . Griffith best claim is maybe a top 10 welter,But not one of the greatest in his division as Arguello was in 2 of those.
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    As much as I admire Alexis Arguello, I say Griffith...and for the reason that Emile was actually two seperate fighters in his career...the aggressive "killer instinct" Griffith, who's very killer instinct led him to his greatest notoriety and "fame"...and the revised, reinvented version, who learned skills as a patient, versatile ring mechanic who never thrilled the fans, wasn't always consistant and was for the most part, somewhat detached and fought according to his own logic and minus the passion that he once had...he was a master at navigating the 15 round distance and at responding to and adapting himself to a wide variety of opponents and styles...whereas Arguello fought in one mode usually... a wonderfully exciting mode, and a more ko friendly..thus fan friendly mode...but was not as versatile or as long lived as Griffith, or as skilled, IMO.
     
  8. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Arguello was a much tougher nut to crack than Emile. His record speaks for itself. More dominant in his defenses and more of them and in the 70's, seemed to get better with age. IMO, he was the Ray Robinson of his time.
     
  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I think its what you like better. Griffiths better wins but inconsistancy over a long period or Arguellos consistant wins over a long period but not quite as long as Griffith was at the top.

    Griffith has good wins over Moyer (in a close fight and split 2-1), Luis Manuel Rodgrigez (although these are very debateable), Ralph Dupas, Dick Tiger (2x but the 1st fight is the importnt one), Joey rcher (2x close again), Benvenuti (1-2)

    But Griffiths wins are also very deep especially at Welterweight with wins over Paret, Ortega, Charnley, Stable, don Fullmer, Fernandez. I think Arguello dosent quite have the dpth of resume of Griffith but he had the greater consistancy and his wins were clearer.

    On film i personally think Arguello is better but it is very close as Griffith is also very very good.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Really? He's definitely more pleasing, but better? I think that's a pretty big shout. You think that Griffith would do less well head to head agains the very best than Arguello would?
     
  11. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    which is why i stayed on the fence and didn't vote.i can't split them.they're both ATG's:good
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I like Alexis ... I feel he lost some prestige due to the Pryor losses but at 126 and 130 he was more dominate than Emile ever was at 147.
     
  13. Marnoff

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  14. Marnoff

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    I think this is a great point that we often tend to forget when judging past fights.
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I think Griffith is competitive with evey ATG and loses closely to afew.

    I think Arguello beat more of the greats but he losses worse or more widely in the fights he loses where Griffith would lose closely. But by that token i think Arguello wins more fights clearer aswell

    At Featherweight and Super Feather Arguello is a beast at Lightweight he dosent do too well though.