All-Time Rankings (Leonard, Canzoneri, Monzon)...

tony canzoneri is all time p4p top 15. great fighter

 

- Tony Canzoneri (13-20)

- Sugar Ray Leonard (8-20)

- Carlos Monzon (20-50)



Arbitrary enough for you? :hat

 

SRL
Canzoneri
Monzon

 

Leonard & Canzoneri each inside the top 20. Wouldn't have either quite in the top 15.

Monzon - anywhere from 20 to 30.

 

I could see Canzoneri over Leonard or vice versa. Both top 30. Both had done great wins but SRL was more consistent although that might be due to era. Push comes to shove Leonard.over Canzi by close margins.

Monzon over either because **** you.

 

A lot of people will neglect to recognise this as a correct line of reasoning but it is they who are living the lie.

 

You make a persuasive argument, LR.

I tend to agree with it.

 

I would rank roy jones over monzon, monzon is around 50ish for me. Both are the same size, yet one chose to move up in weight while the other didnt. I see roy beating everyone monzon has fought and roy would beat monzon at 160, 168 or 175.

Tony Canzoneri is top 25

Sugar Ray Leonard is somewhat difficult to rank. Yes he has the big 4 wins, however he also lost to duran and he fought hagler after hagler was physically damaged from the hearns and mugabi fights. Cleaned out the welterweight division, but was only an elite fighter for 4 years, looked bad against kevin howard and donny lalonde. I say hes between 20-30.

 

Yes.

Four of the best in history, and resume is king.

One of the greatest fighters in history, the #2 rated welterweight at the time. He tried to make a unification bout with #1 and WBA titlist Cuevas first before Don King brought his guy (Duran) up front.

He also fought him past his own best, with one fight in the previous five years and never before at 160. Who picked him to win this fight, with Marvin alledgedly shot to **** and all?

Most of it before even getting the title shot.

In a span under 40 months, defeated Thomas Hearns (undefeated, favored to win), Wilfred Benitez (undefeated, lineal champ), Roberto Duran (only loss to DeJesus in 73 fights), Ayub Kalule (undefeated, lineal 154 champ), Dave Green, Randy Shields, Bruce Finch, Pete Ranzany, Johnny Gant, Floyd Mayweather Sr, Andy Price, Tony Chiaverini, Adolfo Viruet. All rated champs/contenders at the time. Less than 40 Months.

This is another reason the Hagler win is impressive.

Who cares?

K.

 

Monzon tops the other two guys and you all know it.

 

I dont think its that clear cut for leonard being the #2 welterweight. After all there are fighters like barbados joe walcott and kid gavilan who dwarf him in career achievements. Mickey Walker has a solid claim too.

I give him credit for beating hagler, but he only fought marvin because of the mugabi fight. Leonard even said after the mugabi fight, `he`s mine`. Being in physical wars is far more damaging than being 'ringrust' like leonard was. Also, leonard supposedly had real life exhibition fights behind closed doors that arent shown on boxrec, so he was well prepared for the fight. They were all out exhibition matches, not sparring sessions with headgear.

 

Don't worry AC, aside from Leonard, they didn't know those names anyway.

 

I'm not telling you how to think, all that is fine. Most of the above is just obvious (or rooted in) facts. He's resume isn't at all thin; in any way, form or fashion really. He beat oodles of contenders to go with his collection of top wins, which most in history would be hard pressed to match. People don't like the guy, I get it. Nor do I care.