All time top 10 LHW rankings

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  1. Russell

    Russell Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great thread so far guys, loving it. Thanks!
     
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxingoholican Full Member

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    It's interesting how much Philadelphia Jack O'Brien's stock has fallen comparing old rankings to what most people post.
     
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  3. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good point. And where does Langford it in?
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Nowhere.

    Fights between he whilst he was weighing in at the limit against other fighters weighing in at the limit were almost unheard of.

    Head to head you can do what you like with him.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's the issue. Head to head I would pick very few above him.
     
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  6. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While I have Charles firmly at 1, Moore firmly at 2.... and Greb and Tunney generally next..... I'm sorry but nobody looked better than Jones did at this weight. H2H, I honestly think he might be everybody at this weight. So while his accomplishments may not justify him being 5, h2h is important in my factoring.
     
  7. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! banned Full Member

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    Carpentier won the white strang of Heavyweight world championship (vs. Gunboat Smith) and was IBU champion, while he was also awarded as boxer of the year (pound for pound) before his Dempsey fight, was in every of the when existed weight-classes active and top 3 in the Heavyweight of that decade.
    I rank him in my top 35, like Choyinsky, Fitzsimmons, Frazier, Carnera and (Sailor) Sharkey.

    Tunney had overall more than twice as many wins, but only one defeat. It is always recommendet about Lewis, that he is besides Tunney and Marciano one of three who retired as champion (while now is it Klitschko too, actual was it Bowe as well), especially when who resigned, because that is the most outrageous of Lewis career.
     
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  8. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! banned Full Member

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    I have him around 25 (or 26) in my Heavyweight rankings too.
     
  9. mcvey

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    1.Tunney
    2.Charles
    Top two pretty interchangeable imo.
    3.Moore
    4.Foster
    5.Langford
    6.Spinks
    7.Greb
    8.Conn
    9.Loughran
    10.Johnson


    Lewis
    Fitzsimmons
    Dillon
    Saad Muhammad
    Rosenbloom
    Qawi
    Mustapha Muhammad
    Jones
    Galindez
    Conteh
    I would probably change this tomorrow.
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Ezzard Charles
    2. Archie Moore
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Michael Spinks
    5. Gene Tunney
    6. Billy Conn
    7. Jimmy Bivens
    8. Tommy Loughran
    9.John Henry Lewis
    10. Harold Johnson
     
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  11. Gudetama

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    He's at number 17 on my list:
    11. Jones Jr
    12. Choynski
    13. H Johnson
    14. Stribling
    15. Burns
    16. Bivins
    17. O’Brien
    18. Rosenbloom
    19. Saad Muhammad
    20. J H Lewis
     
  12. Gudetama

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    Kind of disappointed I didn't get a shedload of abuse for putting Tommy Burns at number 15 all time LHW.
     
  13. Russell

    Russell Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :risas3::risas3::risas3:
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Well he beat O Brien when both scaled within175lbs,so in theory he could legitimately have claimed the lvy title.
     
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  15. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    I guess it's a philosophical distinction between achievement and h2h and which you consider more important. I don't consider h2h unless two great fighters in the same division did actually fight (i.e. Charles and Moore). Otherwise, it moves from being about actual accomplishments to fantasy.

    We'll never know whether Jones could have beaten some of these great light heavies from the past. But we do know that although he was the best of his era and unified the light heavyweight title, he didn't face his biggest rival at the weight. That's problematic to me. I do think Jones is (just) a legitimate top 10 light heavyweight but I can't rank him any higher than 10 because he refused (whatever his reasoning) to fight Michalczewski. On top of that, he didn't meet Bernard Hopkins when it really mattered (around 2002). Again, why he didn't fight him is irrelevant.

    But based on this behaviour, had he been in a different era competing with the likes of Spinks or Foster or Moore or Charles, it's not a certainty that he would have even agreed to fight them, let alone beat them. That attitude hurts Jones's overall standing in this division and p4p, in my opinion.