All time Tournament: US v The Rest of the World

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  1. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Eat some hay.

    You've created a thread for people to believe they're smart by predicting something they cannot apply any real knowledge to, only "Oh, I believe" - this is no worse than a thread on religion attempting to proclaim which god is better.

    You would have had a better thread if you took the last 15 years.

    USA

    HW: Mike Tyson or Holyfield (1995-1999) vs Lennox Lewis (1999-2001)
    SMW/LHW: Roy Jones Jr (1998) vs Joe Calzaghe (2001)
    MW: Bernard Hopkins (2001) vs Joe Calzaghe (2001)
    WW: Oscar De La Hoya (1999) vs Miguel Cotto (2008)
    LW: Pernell Whittaker (1993) vs Floyd Mayweather Jr (2002)


    So on and so on.

    My viewpoint

    HW - Lewis
    SMW/LHW - Roy Jones Jr
    MW - Calzaghe
    WW - De La Hoya
    LW - Whittaker

    USA win (to that weightclass, I wasn't a fan of weightclasses lower than LW)
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think there is so little between Hagler and Hopkins head to head it tends to come down to who would shade that one, and I pick Hopkins.

    Your Holmes over Ali pick is cheating, no matchmaking, just each respective teams #1.

    You think Holmes should be ranked ahead of Ali head to head? You wouldn't be alone in holding that view, though I think it's ****ing bull**** with a capital ****.
     
  3. P.4.P.G.O.A.T.

    P.4.P.G.O.A.T. Q Boro Killa Bee Full Member

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    I also don't think Pep could handle Manny's ferocity..
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I love that we've got more votes for the US than the Rest of the World but only one analyis detailing a US win...
     
  5. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Heavy: Ali
    Lightheavy: Langford is greater, but naturally smaller than Charles. tough call, but I'd pick Charles.
    Middle: Monzon. Another tough fight to call.
    Welter: Robinson
    Light: Duran. Pernell's my #8 all-time, but Duran was as complete a fighter as i have ever seen. Just because you move and box doesn't mean you beat a prime Duran, he stopped DeJesus and Buchanan to excellent boxers. It was also close on the cards before he quit in the 2nd fight, and he did beat him in the 1st fight.
    Feather: Put Armstrong for U.S and Arguello for rest of world. Pep is definetly greater, but could not hurt Pac at all, who could match his speed, and possibly overwhelm Pep. I think it's a bad styles match up for Pep, but i'd still go with him by decision.
    Bantam: Jofre
    Fly: Wilde
    It's split according to me, 4-4.
     
  6. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    HEAVYWEIGHT:..........Muhammad Ali > Lennox Lewis
    LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT:.Ezzard Charles > Sam Langford
    MIDDLEWEIGHT:..........Carlos Monzon > Bernard Hopkins
    WELTERWEIGHT:.........Ray Robinson > Jose Napoles​
    LIGHTWEIGHT:............Pernell Whitaker > Roberto Duran​
    FEATHERWEIGHT:........Manny Pacquiao > Willie Pep
    BANTAMWEIGHT:.........Eder Jofre > Orlando Canizales
    FLYWEIGHT:...............Jimmy Wilde Draw Midget Wolgast (Not sure)
     
  7. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Whitaker was a WW by 1993.
     
  8. nickfoxx

    nickfoxx On The Nod Full Member

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    i think pea beats duran at 135
    i think it would've looked like duran's worst moments in duran-leonard 2, where he was lunging wildly and missing, except it would last for the duration of the entire fight
     
  9. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    My mistake, also I had two American's fighting instead of an American vs RoW :p

    LW - fine, lets reverse it. Floyd Mayweather Jr of 2002 vs Manny Pacquaio of 2008.

    Floyd.

    America still win. :yep
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nothing unreasonable here.

    Nobody has Napoles to beat Robinson I notice, what's the deal? Robinson just that bit to good, or is this styles?
     
  11. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Robinson has the combination punching, speed, and power. I'd assume this would turn into a hell of a fight, with Robinson opening up a cut at some point over 15. Skill-wise it's an interesting fight.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Great analysis.
     
  13. Uppercut83

    Uppercut83 The Quitschkos are bums Full Member

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    Lewis smashes Ali then Tyson one the same night :rofl
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Whilst I think it's the obvious pick and probably the right one, I wouldn't consider picking Napoles to beat Robinson ludicrous.
     
  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Interesting thread.....will check back later with answers.