All time Tournament: US v The Rest of the World

Nice topic for discussion. Gonna quickly throw down my predictions before I head off. Don't have too much time to put down my reasoning for all of them.

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Muhammad Ali -vs-

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Winner: Lennox Lewis

Ezzard Charles -vs-

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Winner: Sam Langford

Bernard Hopkins -vs-

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Winner: Carlos Monzon
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I'm a huge fan of Hopkins, but I think that in this case he would come out on the losing end.
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-vs- Jose Napoles
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Winner: Ray Robinson
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I know a lot of people would go for SRR immediately..but I'm of the opinion that Napoles winning wouldn't be that hard to believe. But still, I have to go with Robinson on this one.
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-vs- Roberto Duran
Winner: Pernell Whitaker
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-vs- Manny Pacquiao
Winner: Willie Pep
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Too much movement, and while Pacquiao impressed against Diaz, I think Pep would box circles around him for the majority of the fight.
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Orlando Canizales -vs-

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Winner: Eder Jofre

Midget Wolgast -vs-

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Winner: Jimmy Wilde
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Wolgast winning isn't impossible. But I think Wilde was superior overall.
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U.S. - 3

Rest of World - 5​

 

Very good post overall, though I pick Ezzard Charles to beat Langford pretty comfortably.

 

What's with all the whitaker over duran predictions? like i said, Pernell's my #8 all-time, and he may be my favorite fighter ever, but in a 15 round fight at 135lbs, i don't see him, or anyone beating duran. Duran-Leonard 2 is a bad comparison. For one, it was at 147lbs, duran was just starting to fade, and i'm not making excuses, but that Duran was not the Duran of the 1st fight or lightweight Duran. It's a close decision, but i see Duran taking maybe a round or two more (probably the last 2-3 rounds would be Duran's) and also dropping Pernell at some point in the fight. head-to-head Duran's my #1 lightweight & Pernell's my #2, so i don't think it's that much of a stretch to say pernell wins, i just don't see it.

 

Muhammad Ali vs Lennox Lewis
- Lewis clear UD ( I think Ali would be outjabbed, Lewis would be able to time the right hand similiar to how Folley did)

Ezzard Charles vs Sam Langford
- Charles UD

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Carlos Monzon vs Bernard Hopkins
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- Monzon UD

Ray Robinson vs Jose Napoles​

- Robinson UD (cut stoppage posible)

Pernell Whitaker vs Roberto Duran​

-Whitaker close UD (Duran is one of my favourite fighters but Whitaker is all wrong for him)

Manny Pacquiao vs Willie Pep
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- Pep dominating UD

Eder Jofre vsOrlando Canizales
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- Jofre clear UD

Cant comment on Wilfe - Wolgast, I haven't seen enough of either fighter to make a confident prediction.

 

Jesus, that's about the worst thread hijacking I've ever seen. He meant what he said. It was his opinion, and apparently others obliged and gave their opinion. If you want to start your own thread about USA vs. The World, the last 15 years, I'm sure you can, and it will probably be pretty popular. But, take it easy, Sparky.

 

HW - Lewis UD
LHW- Charles UD
MW- i think should have been hagler vs. monzon but anyway MONZON UD against hopkins
WW-SRR UD
LW-Duran UD
FW-there are other match ups better than pac, but i think pac wins this one close UD

cant comment on anyone lower, didn't see how they fight

 

The dream HW matchup that never materialized, one that can be discussed reasonably is Ali vs. Teofilo Stevenson.

 

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I think this would be a very close fight, Ali's speed and ring craft would give him a very good chance and he would cause Lewis problems, he also had a granite chin so a TKO/KO victory for Lewis can be ruled out. However, I think Lewis would be able to dictate this fight with his jab, and his height and reach advantages. Ali didn't have a sufficent enough body attack, nor did he have great power so I don't think he can really hurt Lewis here, who has a better chin than people give him credit for. Lewis by close UD.

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A huge fight between a man I would definately rank somewhere in top 10 p4p of all time against the man I would actually rate at #1. Light-heavy was supposed to be Langford's best weight class, he was amazing powerful for a man of his physical stature, had quick hands, a granite chin and often under-rated boxing skills. However, he could be outboxed, and Charles is a man that could do everything. He uses his superior skills on the inside to land and counter and keeps Langford of him, Charles earns a comfortable UD win.

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Another good fight, Hopkins a very intelligent fighter, good all-round with an iron jaw, Monzon won't be able to KO him. Carlos wasn't particularly quick but he's a good boxer, however, his frame and reach advantage disappears here because Hopkins is a big middle who is a couple of inches taller and has just an inch less reach advantage. I find it hard to pick against Monzon at MW, on this occasion I think Hopkins would spoil and tie him up and fight an intelligent fight, I think it would be extremely close fight but I would still go with Monzon by SD.

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Another good fight, Robinson was a fighter who really could do absolutely anything, a superb boxer who could bang and was very durable aswell, a top 3 ATG in pretty much anyones book. Napoles though had a very smooth style that revolved around his great boxing ability. He could hit hard aswell and control the ring. This would make for a close fight but Sugar Ray Robinson would begin to take control in the latter stages in my opinion, Napoles could be stopped and I fancy SRR to take this by late TKO.

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Sweet Pea, a superbly gifted boxer, great ability and in my opinion the best defence of all-time, even above that of Willie Pep. His fantastic reflexes and amazing ability to read his opponents punches ment he was notoriously hard to hit flush. Duran however was an offensive artist, great punching power, quick and could throw a lot of shots and pretty much any shot, he was crude and I believe that he would eventually muscle up on Whitaker and the ref would end up stepping in, Sweet Pea would be well ahead on the cards but Duran comes back to win by late TKO.

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As good as Pacman has been in the modern era, and as good as he is offensively, I can't see him winning this fight. Great power and speed and a very exciting fighter to watch, his skillset has also really improved lately, he's much technically rounded and now no longer one-dimensional. Pep however was like Whitaker notoriously hard to hit flush, with Pacman's speed and power this could end up like the Saddler fights, however I believe Pep would take control and win by UD.

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Canizales was a very good fighter, good skills, quick hands and a good chin. However, Jofre is arguably the best bantamweight of all-time and had it all. He had power in both hands, great technical ability aswell. His reflexes and bobbing-weaving style would make it hard for Canizales to hit him flush, and Jofre also had a good chin. I believe he would take Canizales speed and energy away with an effective body attack and then move upstairs and stop him. Jofre by TKO in mid-to-late rounds.

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My knowledge of Wolgast is a bit slim, but from what I know he was an extremely quick and tough little fighter, but had little power and was a bit clumsy. I believe he would take control of the early stages of the fight with his speed, but Wilde had the power to KO anybody at flyweight and a lot of guys above flyweight aswell, I think he would eventually catch Wolgast around the mid-rounds and then it's lights out. Wilde by KO.

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USA 3 Rest Of The World 5

 

On other day though Ali could beat Lewis, Sweet Pea could beat Duran, Langford could beat Charles, Napoles could beat SRR and Hopkins could beat Monzon. They really are very close fights. If each of those was a trilogy they would all be split I'm sure.

 

USA V THE REST OF THE WORLD, ALL TIME TOURNAMENT​

HEAVYWEIGHT:.......... Lennox Lewis (UK)​

LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT:.Ezzard Charles ​

MIDDLEWEIGHT:..........Carlos Monzon (Argentina)​

WELTERWEIGHT:.........Ray Robinson (Cuba)​

LIGHTWEIGHT:............Pernell Whitaker ​

FEATHERWEIGHT:........Willie Pep ​

BANTAMWEIGHT:.........v Eder Jofre (Brazil)​

FLYWEIGHT:...............v Jimmy Wilde (UK)​

So who wins this tournament? Who wins each fight? Make eight picks or one pick as you prefer.​

 

Lewis UD
Charles UD
Monzon UD
Robinson TKO
Whitaker UD
Pep UD (Why Pacquiao?)
Jofre UD
Wilde TKO

I got it 4-4