All Timers Who Are Over Rated....

I say Jake LaMotta and Marciano

 

Huh? There have been many...

Good job making it about race.

 

Dempsey and Johnson spring to mind, not because of how they are ranked but in terms of h2h, many posters are totally deluded about their chances against the more modern heavyweights.

Jeffries for the same reason too.

 

Bob Fitzsimmons is one whose achievements you just have to marvel at but on tape he looks very unimpressive to say the least.

 

My friend recently watched raging Bull and tried selling me that SRR was overrated and a very lucky man...

 

Hey, I'm Italian. I love The Rock. I love Rocky Marciano, too.

But are you aware of where Charles, Walcott, and Louis were in their careers? Still good to great victories and highly relevant wins but a little misleading compared to name value in that none of his wins are among the several hundred best victories in history.

Still, the main argument against Marciano isn't that. It's that aside from those 6 high class victories... what other great victories did he compile? Seriously though. I hear people arguing against Marciano's greatness but seldom do they directly speak of the lack of depth in his opposition. Aside from Ezzard, Walcott, Moore, Louis, and LaStarza, he has quite literally no relevant victories. Particularly poor victories for someone who had been hyped as a future champion very early on in his career.

That's just me playing devil's advocate, though. I value his beating those great fighters even if nowhere near their prime and also greatly value his never having taken a defeat and only thrice pressed tough (Charles I, Walcott I, LaStarza I) more than most seem to.

Yeah, most on here come across as race baiters, racists, or racial supremacists. But hey, on this forum I'm always accused by random posters of being either Filipino or African American, and boy how funny those conclusions are to me.

 

I understand your entire argument. I do. And it's legitimate.

But are you naive to believe that modern-era fighters, if born 100 years earlier, wouldn't have been equally unimpressive on film/H2H?

It comes down to teaching, equipment, nutrition, film, experience, culture, etc etc etc so many variables that you have to be naive to think that a contemporary fighter would mirror himself if born and fought in the era of Fitzsimmons, Johnson, and the like.

 

Haha... It's like my friends who know I like boxing. They act like the Rocky series is a legit source and recreation for how fights should and do play out. Sometimes, I do just nod and go along with whatever they say. I come across as a total d!ckhead when I start correcting people about boxing. Literally have people getting upset and saying I know nothing because I tell them that Mike Tyson is not a top 10 boxer, or heavyweight, ever. They just don't get it. I mean, it's fine, since most of us probably don't have that great of social lives due to our obsession, but still pretty funny.

 

James Corbett and Rocky Marciano....who also happen to share a birthdate in common, today: September 1...!!!

 

Tyson..... I aint saying he wasnt talented or anything liek that, im talking about resume you would think that with the way Tyson is regarded he would have a glistening CV but really who did he beat .... he beat decent fighters (well demolished decent fighters) but didnt actually beat anyone considered a prime great. Now i aint saying he wasnt good enough or anythiong like that what im saying is that of all the top fighters we here about and his name is often banged about in the all time lists regardless where people put him. But at the end of the day what names did he beat.

Granted he fought the big names when he was past his peak but he really didnt beat anyone I would consider to be a great at all.

 

If we're taking about this forum, then many old timers are overrated. In fact, some people from the history section would probably try to convince you that certain fighters had near-supernatural abilities. It's almost like there is a pattern.

The boxing media is very different in Europe and the US. The former is usually very professional and objective in their work but don't cover the sport in such depth (boxing community is not very big), while the latter goes way more through the details with more coverage but is very divided and usually biased due to many differences that exist among people within the country.

It is fair to say that Muhammad Ali is usually overrated. Also, late 80s Mike Tyson is often presented as invincible.

But to be fair, that's still easier to justify than claiming that Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson, Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano were some unbeatable forces compared to the modern times.

 

We need to find the old timers that post about the old timers as if they are unbeatable and smash their keyboards and fingers

 

Nichols GOAT, not ATG