Allegedly takes jabs at Brook & Khan

try telling the bank manager i will pay you when allegedly pays me :hey:yep:bart

 

I JUST wish to god allegedly would stop whining about fighters who aren't his concern.

 

They are a PR disaster ! The company is a mess at the moment and would do well to completely change the way they do things. I know and like some of the people associated with the company very much like dean Powell but they have lost touch with the fans- at least us, the hardcore, the voices or keyboard warriors. I don't know Frank but generally I think he comes across well on TV and nowhere near as bad as he is percieved by some. That said these articles and the hearn comments do him nor FWP any favours. He'd be better saying nothing and making good relevant fights.

In the 1920's-1940's ford was the market leader- in fact they virtually led the worlds economy until the man at the helm failed to realise that the world had changed from the one he initially had huge success in- worse still he slagged off the Jews and said hitler had some good ideas and completely dismissed the increasingly popular unions. Crazy at the time. ford was an incredible leader and his innovative approach to management and clever business acuman allowed him to find a 'gap' in the market from which he quickly rose to the forefront of his industry.

Anyway eventually the company was overtaken by general motors as they lost popularity and became outdated. And it was only when Henry's grandson took over with new ideas they became relevant again.

The point is they have no innovation, no fresh ideas. They'll shout box nation as a new idea- but thats a channel- a source of output that further retracts boxing from the general public, and the young kids that are the sports future. Its not really anything that changes things dramatically especially in light of such mixed reviews and customer service. It could do but for boxnation to be popular they have to be popular- they need to stop with the negativity in the press for a start. They need to stop what seems to be bullying antics on forums. They need to laugh off criticism but take heed of suggestions.

I say change your product, change your matchmaking policies, change the way you promote fighters- The market is saturated with people providing 70-30 or worse matches- the next promoter who is going to lead the industry I feel won't look to propel, and big up the incredible '0'- they will recognise the value of relationship marketing and provide entertaining fights with as much 'relationship material' as possible.

See 24/7, UFC etc etc - it's obvious

FFS we had Degale Vs Groves as a PPV in a very good fight not long ago. Relative match, between known fighters. I'm not saying every match they make is terrible- they've given us some great shows in the last year to 18 months but I still think more can be done to improve the experience for those watching.

It seems there are two problems- one being the PR, and the other being the sometimes seemingly pointless matches. I think both problems, worsen each other if you get me.

The lack of Pr makes the poor matches more annoying, and the poor matches make the lack of communication more annoying. They need a face, or a voice I think. Not actually commenting on them anymore because it just gets me in trouble but thats how I feel just now. Maybe i've got it all wrong but that seems to be the consensus on the forums I visit.

 

Seriously great post Jeff, that puts into words perfectly how I feel about Frank ****** Promotions :good

For me the succession of events since Box Nation came into existence has confirmed my suspicion that Frank is passed it.

Their advertisement of the channel and use of Social Media has been close to non existent, I have seen no internet advertisement on places like BoxRec or ESB, or even in the sport section of national papers. Their websites (Frank ****** and BoxNation) are boring, they are littered with basic mistakes and both are rarely updated, and on Twitter and Facebook they do nothing to get more followers so that people are aware of the fights they will be promoting and televising. And finally the channel itself offers nothing outside live Boxing they have no originaly produced promotional material outside the fights themselves, most of their fights (FW Promoted) are extremely unimaginative, and the production quality is 80's/90's esque.

 

I agree- and i'm glad you like my post..

I've actually done something a bit mental- and contacted Frank directly. I hope I get a response from him- would be great to get some points across and see what he's got to say about things. It seems a lot of people want to take snipes on here and other forums and complain without doing something about it- so i've messaged him direct and i'm going to show him what i've wrote. He might not like it or reply but I hope he does because best case things change, but if things don't then at least we might have some indication of the dilemma's he faces. Seeming as there is virtually no communication from them without an agenda I want to ask him some things straight. He'll probably think whose this stupid bloke but i really hope he doesn't and gives me some good replies. We'll see perhaps he's too busy but I don't think i'm alone in my standpoint and I want to try and move things forward or at least show them how we percieve them.

Regardless of what he says and whether he agree's with me or not- at least if I get a reply it gives a bit more clarity about there situation. I don't know.... No-one seems keen to aks them the questions that matter and I just think that coming from a boxer who has only the sports interest at heart he might field some of my questions. Lets see, fingers crossed. :good

 

Carefull Jeff, kinda heading into the lions den there :nut
But all power to you for at least trying m8.
As you said too many people here just to snipe.
Good luck

 

Yes we snipe.

But who is worse?

We don't use a major tabloid newspaper to preach biased views!

 

He is much worse, that was never in question.
I was praising Jeff not having a go at the whole forum, calm down pal

 

I hope that he appreciates the cheek of it- lets see.

I've probably ****ed myself out of ever fighting for a WBO interim intercontinental.

 

CALM DOWN!!!! ****IN' CALM DOWN!!!!!?????

I am sooooooooo gonna slag you off on my column now!
:twisted:

 

I think Jeff raises a fair point.

Allegedly is still in the Mickey Duff and Frank Bruno era, where you can bring a bum over with a pretty looking record who is practically guaranteed to fall over and expect to get away with it.

Back then, a man with a 32-3 (20) record who'd never been stopped would probably seem decent, but in the Boxrec era where you can see who they've lost to, which clowns have taken them ten rounds to a split decision etc etc etc you've got to change.

I still maintain that his biggest failing is handing out the deals to the Class of 2008, it railroaded him into what he's doing now, and losing Khan was an absolute disaster. With him he could put cards on PPV and somehow scrape the money together to pay the likes of Frankie and BJS.

Then when Mitchell got done by Kats it was another big blow to him, DeGale losing to Groves only compounded it.

The best thing for him to do business-wise is to get all of his lads beaten, or lose purse bids to other promoters, it'll ease his cashflow problems and allow him to concentrate on rebuilding his business - though I doubt his ego will allow him to do it.

I really wish more promoters would open their doors to a fan, in the way that Maloney did to a Boxrec member a while back. That way, those ''know nothing, laptop warriors'' might learn a thing or two.

 

Best of luck pal, no harm in trying. If prior, or should I say decades of form are to go by then I wouldn't hold your breath on your chances of being able to create a constructive dialogue with Frank. I think it is fair to say that he has time on his hands nowadays if his twitter reply to Eddie Hearn yesterday was anything to go by "so stop this nonsense about wanting the fight!This is me by the way, if there's any doubt, and was me yesterday.. I was v bored!" Old Frank ent got nothing to do anymore bless him, work really does suck when there isn't anything to do.

Seriously though I would love nothing more than for BoxNation to be a rousing success, because I am a Boxing fan first and foremost and if they are successful it is good for the Sport. But it is clear that they stand no chance with their current format, and if you help them in anyway to realise this then you have done a great service to British Boxing in my eyes :good

 

Yes you have, as you dont already own it anyway' brook was stripped of the wbo within days of leaveing fwank, and if i remember rightly fwank didnt want to promote him anymore, as if he ever did. so why the soure grapes, eddy must have rattled him.

 

I would ****ing love it if they offered me that opportunity.

Gotta agree with your analysis of the Allegedly empire sucess over the last few years, in this day and age signing up amateurs to huge contracts when there aren't generous TV contracts available is nothing short of madness. Frank needs to realise that Boxing isn't what it once was, it is now very much a niche sport and the days of big £50 million TV deals are long gone, in fact if you can scrape together six figures from television revenue you have done damn well.

 

He could fix the mess pretty easy I think- love spearmints idea's too. Its time for a new product.

The henry Ford comparison is an awesome one. He wanted a ford in every home. He had a vision and he got it. When he lost his vision - he lost his market share.

Whats the FWP vision? I know what Matchrooms is- whats ******s? I'll tell you something else win over the internet warriors and his life gets a lot easier. Its going to take more then employing Buncey, Richard Keys and Andy Kerr to do that- but I think its still savable so long as he isn't Henry Ford. He needs to be Steve Jobs - he needs to evolve his product. I've lots of ambitions in life but if I ever find my way into promotion i'll change the sport in the UK forever I reckon.

Prizefighter- innovation

People love it, people hate it- but guess what hardly anyone misses it.

Maloneys trying something with heavyweights, which may or may not succeed but at least he's trying.

Whats next.....

We're still waiting for FWP.... Boxnation is a great idea' and could potentially be described as an innovative move - but the fact that it reduces the sports popularity surely stops it been so.

New idea's, new products, new communication, new image.... Thats what they need to be thinking. Or they can stay on this slippery slope to losing their postion as the premier promoters in the country.

It makes no difference to us, as regardless I think a change is coming. One way or the other.