Allen Green Interview: Comments on Manny vs Floyd not materializing

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  1. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    From BT.com

    BH: Man you have been around this boxing business, you know what it's like, we are business men, but what are you thoughts on the Manny Pacquiao & Floyd Mayweather fight not materializing? I mean this would put major bank in their pockets and they could come to terms. I just want your honest opinion on that subject?

    AG: I will say this. It's not Manny's fault. The fight should have been made without any questions or like "I want you to do this before I fight you". When "Sugar" Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran faught, they faught, when Leonard faught Hearns they faught...it was none of this "maybe you should do this". Me being a fighter I think Floyd is the better fighter, but if I was going going to fight anther cat and I was telling him to take before we faught, it means that there is something that I see in him that intimidates me, why would I ask that? If I really wanted to fight a guy and I was the better fighter I would beat him regardless.


    Discuss gents:think....
     
  2. Meast

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    He speaks the truth.

    All these catchweight/blood testing demands etc are stopping some of the best fight out there happening.
     
  3. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think his view on this is striaght up from a "FIGHTERS PERSPECTIVE". Not that Paulie, DLH, or Cotto...other boxers who feel PAC should take the test are NOT fighters....but in the sense that Allen has a throw back mentality where "no one can beat him"....and the mental fortitude that wouldn't allow himself to show any signs of weakness by requesting speacial tests for a future opponent. James toney is similar in his mentality and many other boxers as well...but then again there are other boxers who have the exact opposite stance as well.
     
  4. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Exactly.

    Floyd should'nt give a **** wether pac is on PEDS or not.

    Floyd should be confident no matter what Pac shoves into his body.

    He's not on some secret super roid ffs. :roll:

    The PED thing is an excuse to avoid Pac.

    Seriously, PED's are'nt THAT good and they must be widely used in the game.

    Of course they will help a fighter, but not make him super human.

    I don't believe that the difference between a PED Pac and a CLEAN Pac is that great. Certainly not great enough to worry Floyd.

    Floyd is just not confident about faceing any version of Pac.

    ****, if i was floyd i'd want to fight the beast who beat Hatton and Cotto and if that beast was on PED's, so be it.

    Also, i bet Floyd has fought quite a few guy's he knew were on PED's and never complained or asked for extra tests.
     
  5. Spitfire7

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    Works both ways, but AG is one intelligent dude to see it as it is and express it as he has.
     
  6. Spitfire7

    Spitfire7 Gadfly Full Member

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    Liked the way you nailed this whole thing. Couldn't be said any better!:good
     
  7. Vette1

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    Allan green hit it on the head Floyd is showing mental weakness and imo no amount of skills in the world is going to be enough for him to beat Manny or especially Mosley. I agree floyd is talented as hell, but hes not as confident as most of his fans feel by cherrypicking his opponents at WW he's showing alot of self doubt (tarver/jones all over again). I wonder if most of his fans realize that it literally took the work of god (earthquake in Haiti) to even get them to consider fighting mosley. I say them because im sure theyre tellling him he basically has to fight Mosley or be called a blatant ducker and a coward.


    I love the corner hes in right now, if he ducks mosley and wait for Pac hes Pacs and arum's red headed ***** comes negotiation time (if pac beats clotty). If he fights mosley for 10 mil and loses where does that leave him ? damn Floyd must be wishing he could do it all over again. im sure there would be no random drug test mentioned. Its a sport and sometimes you have to face obstacles you might not be able to overcome but our boy floyd wants to avoid all obstacles that presents a challenge.

    Im sure everyone remembers The great marvin Hagler and how intimidating he was. I remember watching the Hearns/hagler fight and what i remember most is before the fight started, the beaming confidence in Tommy hearns's face as he walks back and forth just glaring at Hagler. this is against an opponent who reined terror in the MW division for years. it wasnt just skill that brought these 2 men together it was heart and confidence and i strongly beleive Floyd is lacking a little of the last 2 ingredients. some will disagree and say well he fought Corrales and castilllo so he has heart, but damn how long ago was that and how many divisions ago was that. All im saying is if he had heart and confidence back then well he lost a bit of both on his way to the WW division
     
  8. charlievint

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    I think Floyd has his reservations regarding just how much of a threat PAC really is and for me......the rumors and demands were his way to get out of a fight with Manny.

    With what you pointed out.....Floyd shouldn't be worried about Manny....especailly given the fact that not only he, himself stating PAC ain't ****...that Manny can't really fight and that Manny has been lucky in beating his opponents, but his daddy and uncle were all on the same page.

    It was a bit mysterious to me that they came up with these allegations about PAC being on roids or special peds AFTER they knew they were next in line to face Manny and that it would be a HUGE demand that he would have to fulfil by coming back from retirment.

    The fight was as good as done without the blood test demands....and there would have been NO blood test demands if the Mayweathers TRULY felt PAC was inferior and no threat at all to Jr. The root of the problem and the reason why the fight fell through was b/c Floyd changed his stance on PAC all the sudden, making up allegations and then requesting specail testing in order to make the fight happen.

    Had Floyd stuck to his original stance on "KNOWING" how much better and superior he was to Manny....he wouldn't have had any concerns or worries about what PAC was or wasn't taking....he'd take home the pot split 50/50 with Manny and he would get the respect he has been looking for and a legacy building fight worthy of how great his ability and talent would suggest.
     
  9. fatcity

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    "Fought" not faught ffs.:patsch
     
  10. Devintea

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    Allen Green is due to his own opinion. If he was a boxer who made sound business and career decisions, I would take his point more seriously. However, since he is not a man known for his mental capacity, this is just "hoopla".

    How would a man who beat a bigger and stronger De la Hoya be afraid of Manny?

    Manny is powerful but not intimidating. It is what it is and we are now on the cusp of two totally different fights.
     
  11. charlievint

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    Thanks bro. I know you are as upset over this fight not materializing as most true boxing fans. But you and I have the same kind of stance on this issue b/c we feel the root of this fight NOT being made stems from Floyd....who has been acting suspect ever since knowing the DEMAND for facing PAC would be ineveitable....especailly after he went through Cotto the way he did.

    It was just a bit off the way Floyd re-acted and the way he changed his entire persona once he knew he'd be next in line to face PAC. #1....he helped start these rumors about PAC being on roids.....he's never done that for any fighter and has never shown an ounce of conern before facing anyone else...#2...after starting the rumors he came up with the demands for Olympic style testing......#3..."MONEY MAY" is about his paper.....

    $40 Mill is a great pay day and for the kind of fighter Floyd is....how confident, how talented, skilled, focused and intelligent.....Floyd is cocky and NEVER worries or has concerns about anyone of his opponents....Except PAC!

    He's done a 180 going from PAC and ****....to "PAC is on some super PEDs that bullets and **** bounce off of him":rofl
     
  12. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :rofl......PLEASE SPELL CHECK GENTS!! We don't want anyone to fly off the hinge due to spelling errors in the forum. Thanks.
     
  13. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why didn't Floyd ask for olympic style testing for DLH if he's so much bigger and stronger than PAC?

    Allen's opinion doesn't come from "Business" angle but a fighters angle. Just B/c he's not making PAC or Floyd money doesn't mean he's unable to give a valid and relevant perspective. Being a professional prize fighter warrants his opinion be heard out....not even respected...just listened to.

    I don't agree with Paulie's stance on this issue or Kermits, but I listened to their arguemnts and felt they were completely off.
     
  14. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    :lol: :deal
     
  15. Relentless

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    exactly what i think.

    i really dont believe neither floyd or pac really wanted to fight each other, they both kept pulling **** out the bag each time it looked like it was all set.