Allow me to educate those who buy in to the glass chin theory.

so u are saying Julio Cesar CHavez and Jason Litzau both have tha same abilities to take a punch??? Idiot. GTFO of here with that crap

 

Kirk's thread as well. :yep :deal

 

honestly i think chins are mostly mental + conditioning (mostly conditioning) . it's no coincidence why the guys who tend to get hit alot also have good beards , and the ones who dont get hit much sometimes have suspect chins. The more time you spend getting hit, the more your brain adapts to it. It's like anything else in life. This is something that happens in the gym . Obviously, there are other factors that play into it, and it can change depending on the situation ,but this is mostly what it is imo.

 

Hmm, no I don't recall that. Think you might have me confused with someone else.

 

Ok I looked it up, I remember now, after the Viloria-Miranda fight you said I should join that thread. I didn't confirm or deny, but yeah I might go over there, but If I did it'll be next year though. No point joining in the middle of the season.

Now that I think about it, I'll shoot you a PM for about an idea I have.

 

A chin is actually biological and in the cranial structure when it comes to the flash KO.

Being stunned is a multitude of different reasons, and recovery is in the attitude, conditioning and biology.

But yeah, ability to take a punch is not in the legs or the neck. It's in the brain and the skull and the amount of acceleration the body accommodates the brain. When the brain smashes against the skull really hard, you get knocked out. Having a thick neck and strong legs will help you absorb the impact, but you can't alter how well your brain responds to impact.

Sorry old schoolers, some people have brains that don't respond well to impact which allows them to be rendered unconscious with less difficulty than other people.

So if a person can take punches, naturally, worse than another person, wouldn't they be said to have a FIGURATIVE glass jaw? Obviously. It is a fact.

I'd have to say that glass jaws exist.

 

Eh, everyone has different levels of being able to take a punch. No one can really say why it is. We have theories like thicker skulls, better neck muscles, levels of determination/concentration, etc. At the end of the day, no one knows for sure why.

Some guys really can't take a punch, for whatever reason. But what's irritating about the chincheckers is their obsession with it, and their insistence that pretty much anyone who has ever been knocked out, (and a bunch of guys who have never been KO'd so far) has a glass jaw.

The ultimate comment from me has always been one by Zakman, in a thread discussing Duran and a monster shot he took in the Barkley fight and how he didn't go down. Zakman's comment was about how Duran was a mystery to him, sometimes having an iron jaw, sometimes glass.

Hold the **** up. We're talking about a guy who started fighting at 120 pounds in 1968, and in his 30+ year career, got KO'd twice, once at 154 by Tommy Hearns, (one of the hardest pound for pound punchers of all time, a guy who KO'd cruiserweights) and onc in a fight that was stopped by the ref when Duran was what, 47, 48 years old. And that's a guy whose jaw is sometimes glass? Really?

Between **** like that, the insistence that no one who doesn't have what they consider an iron jaw can be a warrior or show heart, their refusal to ever admit they were wrong and plenty more are all reasons why I take practically nothing the "chin checkers" have to say seriously.

 

People posting such nonsense, without any real understanding of human physiology, really taints ESB.
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Ability to take a punch has to do with many factors, such as:

The amount of intercranial fluid.

The thickness & density of the skull & jaw, which absorb / dissipate some of the energy. (JCC supposedly had an unusually thick skull)

The thickness of the skin (a very small factor)

The size & composition of ones neck muscles.

How a fighter's head moves when hit. (i.e., the ability to move with the punch instead of opposing it)

Conditioning & attitude, to some small extent.
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Legs? Huh?