Alternate HW Top Ten.

Head to head ranking or all time glory ranks don't have to follow what happened in the timeline. Tyson can be above Holyfield if you think he beats more greats than Holyfield would, if they were both put against the same gauntlet. Yes, Holyfield had his kryptonite in the ring.

 

It’s puzzling that you have not just one but both Foreman and Frazier outside your top 10. Thanks for sharing.

 

I guess my 11-20 looks a bit like this:

Holyfield
Dempsey
W Klit
Wills
Jeffries
Usyk
Charles
Patterson
Langford
Bowe

 

Okay

I'm giving a top 12 thanks to ties. This is in chronological order cause I don't like defending ranking guys in specific places.


Fulton
Wills
Miske
Gibbons
Braddock
Max Baer
Tommy Farr
Buddy Baer
Terrell(with Ali and Liston gone I just don't see how this doesn't happen)
Lyle
Jimmy Young
Bowe

John Henry Lewis makes my top 10 if not for the eyesight thing which makes Louis being yeeted from history irelevant.



Langford,Schmeling, Lee Murray, Patterson, Moorer,Holy,Tyson,Tucker, Witherspoon,Douglas, Thomas and Cooney and insert Wlad opponent here would probably fill out the rest of my 25. Wepner would be wild card cause he beat Terrell who'd be rated high. Also considered Ellis.

 

Without Lewis or Foreman in the picture Bowe and Moorer are still around and Foreman never beats Moorer. If Foreman never beats Moorer the HW division never falls into chaos if the HW division doesn't fall into chaos Holyfield v Tyson for a belt never happens and he never comes back from the Bowe and Moorer losses. If he never comes back from them and gets that shot then Tyson gets ranked higher than Holyfield.

 

Schmeling becomes the GOAT. You can now picture a version of the Coming to America barber shop scene, but instead with Schemling, Basilio, and Baer mentioned. Maybe Dempsey, too.

"What about Max Baer?"

"Oh there it go, there it go. Every time I start talking about boxing, a Jewish man got to pull Max Baer out their ass."

 

In no order.

Liston
Dempsey
Johnson
Vitali
Bowe
Patterson
Wills
Langford
Charles
Jeffries

Not including Usyk as we don't know how his career will pan out.

 

Maybe something like this:
1. Bowe (41-0-0)
2. Fury (34-0-1)
3. W Klitschko (64-5)
4. V Klitschko (44-1)
5. Johnson (53-11-8)
6. Dempsey (53-6-8)
7. Marciano (48-0)
8. Jeffries (19-1-2)
9. Wills (70-9-3)
10. Norton (41-3-1)

 

Was simply a joke, not me actually responding the thread, lol.

 

Yeah, I'm in a minority in that regard, for sure.

I value dominance highly and don't make as much allowance as some posters for one era being stronger than another. All any fighter can do is separate themselves from the field in which they competed. That said, I could easily see either as high as 8 on my list.

 

Ranking only those who held a version of the title.
Bowe
Wlad
Vitali
Fury
Marciano
Frazier
A J
Douglas
Tunney
Walcott / Charles
I don't rate fighters who are still active,so no Usyk.

 

1 - Dempsey
2 - Charles
3 - Tunney
4 - Holyfield
5 - Wladimir
6 - Wills
7 - Langford
8 - Bowe
9 - Vitali
10 - Patterson

 

Then Lewis is No.1
2. Holyfield
3. Wlad
I don't dare to go any further, I also don't understand if Holyfield and Tyson are being denied a win over Holmes, because the situation is "no Holmes".