Am I the only one who just can't watch George in his prime?

A bit of perspective, indeed.

Did he say Foreman's Olympic Gold medal win and 45-2 (42 kos) run as a pro up to his retirement at age 28 ... was similar to Oliver McCall's resume?



Oh man.

I can't think of any planet on which George Foreman would burst into tears crying and hand Joe Frazier the win in their rematch.

 

No. And it's also a bit rich to hold the Young loss against Foreman, but not the Douglas loss against Tyson.

 

He actually lacks terribly beyond the guys you mentioned.

Here are some comparisons:

70s Foreman—Ws Frazierx2, Norton (chinny futur champ), Chuvalo, Lyle, Roman Ls Ali, Young

91-2001 McCall—Ws Lewis, Seldon and Maskaev, (two chinny future champs), Holmes, Akinwande, Damiani Ls Lewis, Tucker, Bruno

Rahman—W Lewis, Sanders (chinny future champ), Meehan, Barret, draw Tua Ls to Lewis and Maskaevx 2, Holyfield (headbutt), Tua and Ruiz

Prime Brewster—Wlad, Krasniqi, Golota Ls to Wlad and Sergei

Bascially, Foreman’s 70s run was very similar to these three but he had the old guy comeback to separate himself.

 

You sound sober in a couple of posts about Ward, then you get back to your agenda bull****.

You should add Peralta and Ledoux to Foreman, I think they were both ranked at the time. And also Chuvalo, of course. So that's nine wins against top 10 opp, four against top 5 ranked fighters

Lewis was the only top 5 fighter McCall beat and he wasn't a 5 year dominant, undisputed champ. Was anyone else besides Holmes ranked at the time? And any other reason for the 1991 cutoff than not to have the loss to Orlin Norris in there? And he had three losses even before that.

Rahman's win over Lewis is really good. But was Sanders or any of the others ranked at the time?

Same with Brewster. Was anyone besides Wlad ranked? And he had six losses during those years, including the rematch. Why do you not mention any of the other four? No reasonable cutoff excludes all the other four.

So I see basically one top 5 win for each of them, none over an undefeated and undisputed dominant champion, and maybe one or two more wins over top 10 guys at the time, and more losses. That isn't close to Foreman's.

 

I can watch his fights but the way he punches at times looks awkward and not coordinated to me. His Awkward looking style might have been part of his success, but I don’t know.

 

It’s obvious that you’re reaching if you fail to comprehend why Peralta and Ledoux were left off. I could’ve done one for Sanders, who beat Nelson, Al Cole, and Purrity in addition to Wlad, but I chose to leave off journeymen and guys who weren’t true heavyweights. Peralta does not grace the Ring annual in the 1970s and wasn’t a true heavyweight, and LeDoux came in at 10 in 1979, years after losing to George. I also listed Chuvalo and you ignored it (apologies accepted).

Lewis stacks up favorably to Frazier, granted Foreman later beat Frazier again. Akinwande may have been tricky for Norton but probably would lose. Old Holmes probably beats old Chuvalo. Lyle most likely would beat Seldon, but Maskaev would most likely beat Roman. The Bruno and Lewis loses were bad, but the Ali and Young loses weren’t exactly graceful.

These two are extremely similar.

 

For years I wasn't sure about the best way to throw a hook for proper leverage and technique. Some of the coaches I talked to had drastically different views. I actually tweeted Foreman asking him if it's better to turn your wrist over when throwing a hook with the knuckles pointed at the ceiling or if it was better to have the knuckles facing the opponent. He responded that if you're a power puncher it makes no difference, just hit him.

I couldn't argue with him and you're right, with a certain level of punching power it can make up for a lack in technique or ring IQ (although prime Foreman was underrated in both categories in some fights where he looked great and crafty).

 

Let's not pretend like he didn't talk to Jesus after getting beaten up by a feather fisted guy with like 20 loses.

 

There endeth George’s lesson. “Now get out there and knock’em over like I used to.”

 

Let's not pretend he wasn't dehydrated and hallucinating and was still in the hospital the following day rehydrating.

He didn't stop in the fifth round to cry and quit.

Can't believe you think Foreman's first career was like McCall's. What a bad take.

 

"What do you mean plan B? We're still going with plan A: knockout. If he's still standing it means you didn't hit him hard enough".

 

Great description Choc - George had that notable ability to not only find his target but find it with bone shattering, flush punches.

Frazier was obviously not at peak but El Radar George (lol) hit the mark often with full blooded punches.

And, to see his fists slashing through the air when launching those final punches v Norton, each and everyone finding their mark was just as amazing as the power behind those punches.

And even the most accurate punchers might miss their last punch as their opponent falls - but not George, he even caught Ken as he was falling with a smashing left - the old, see ya later and good night shot.

Call me crazy, but imo, that KO was quite picturesque, and no, I’m not a fan of abstract art.

 

Lol. Trainer/cornerman, George “Atlas” Foreman: “We are power punchers, we knock people out. Now get out there and knock him out!!”

 

One would think that entering a fight with a crack addiction against the third best heavyweight of all time would serve as a better excuse for erratic behavior than having to fight 12 rounds for the first time against a feather fist.

 

Crack didn't exist in 1977. Another bad take. You're striking out in this thread.

Not quite sure how having a crack addiction has anything to do with being similar to Foreman's career.

McCall was nothing like Foreman.