Am I the only one who thinks Chad Dawson should have been disqualified?

why did dawson say he was willing to continue but the ref didnt let him, when he can clearly be heard saying he cant go on?

 

I agree it's a difficult thing to handle and probably very frustrating but ref's allow it ALL the time so we can't sit here and say Dawson shouldn't have gotten the win bcuz of it.. It's kind of like clinching, it's technically illegal to excessively clinch but ref's rarely take points away for it.. Just something fighters have to deal with. You have to figure out ways to deal with it as you should know before going into the fight it's something that can and probably will happen.

edit: But yes I don't fault a guy for throwing in that situation.. It's just most times they'd rather ***** about it later on knowing they'll get no result instead of doing whatever necessary right then and there.

 

All Dawson's guilty of is slipping a punch, if Hopkins hadn't tried to shove him down on the back of his neck with his right and cuddle him with the left, **** all else would have happened. He climbed on voluntarily, got shoved off and landed badly. **** happens.

ETA: Hopkins fan, was rooting for Hopkins tonight.

 

Bhop ***** out of the fight. So many black ***** fighter nowadays.

Bhop was clearly FAKING it.

 

yep.

 

no hopkins initiated it, got a taste of his own medicine. this is coming from a hiuge hopkins fan who predicted hopkins but dawson was giving him trouble and he took the first out

 

You don't reach around and grab someone's legs and shove in a clinch. That's not boxing and it's not legal.

 

DQ no way. no contest I can see, although I was always in favor of making a decision right after the fight and sticking to it.

 

I dont think Dawson should have been DQ, consider, Off the top of my head I can recall -
1. Hopkins not being able to continue against R Allen for a NC
2. Hopkins lying on the floor for a while against A Echoles
3. Hopkins trying to fake injury to get time out against J Calzaghe
4. Hopkins lying on the floor pretending Jones Jnrs punch was behind the head.

Now we have a similar scenario with Dawson

 

While that is a valid point, you can't sit there and evaluate a boxer's character and make a judgment and ruling based on that assessment.

Dawson reached around and grabbed Bernard's legs as he shoved him, which is simply illegal to do. Regardless of how Hopkins responded, Dawson broke the rules and initiated this whole fiasco.

 

I didnt notice Dawson grab Hopkins legs, but did see Hopkins illegally laying on Dawson.
The points I made show that Hopkins has done this sort of thing before, and I think Hopkins wanted out.
We know Hopkins has a style weakness to fast 2 handed fighters his own size

 

I saw Dawson illegally ducking behind the waist, then lifting Hopkins off of his feet and shoving him off.

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Maybe it wasn't a blatant foul, but it does not warrant a TKO victory, regardless of what you think of Hopkins. The rules are as they are.


We'll never know if he's faking; people who hate on his style or persona like to assume he is and assess a proper ruling based off of that instead of the rules.

 

Didn't happen. Seriously. Look. Did not happen. Look at the waistline, and draw an invisible line out from it. Now watch his upper body. Never goes below the line. After slipping the right hand - Dawson's head never goes below the lettering on B-Hop's trunks. He never ducked below either one of their waists. So let's stop propagating that myth. Seriously. Look at the GIF closely and say one more time that Dawson ducked below the waist.

Also didn't happen. Hopkins was slung over his back. Dawson never lifted him up. He shrugged his right shoulder, which sent Hopkins sliding back whence he came, first up and then down. Never does Dawson use his right arm in any way shape or form to lift Hopkins. If you're suggesting that Dawson lifted Hopkins clear off the ground using nothing but his shoulder, and basing the whole "lift and slam" theory off of that (actually lifting and slamming a man without the use of either arm)...well...:!:

OK. That happened. That's the only part of that sentence that is actually true, that is actually something that happened.

That's what boxers are supposed to do. They're encouraged to break out of clinches themselves. Fighters punch out or push out of clinches all the times. This was a somewhat unorthodox clinch, with Hopkins scooting up Dawson's back like a ramp - and so the shove-off had an unorthodox effect of the other man tipping over and hurting himself. Not Dawson's fault. Hopkins shouldn't have been laying on him. Shoving him off was the right move.

 

Fair enough, he ducked juuust above where this imaginary line would be. My point was not that it was horrid and illegal, but that it created the space on which Hopkins and his momentum were going to move onto once contact was made. Hopkins was not doing anything substantially illegal or outside the laws of physics.

He shrugged his right shoulder upwards and out, and his brief but present left glove on the back of his knee prevented him from gaining any sort of proper footing once he went back onto the ground.

So the severity of a shove in boxing is now irrelevant and fighters should be awarded TKO victories for pushing fighters out of awkward clinches? It should be a No Contest at best. Punches did not cause the fighter to be unable to continue.