Am I wrong to not drink the Usyk Kool-Aid?

Personally I'd say that Fury retiring Chisora is more impressive than someone KOing him. Especially a fighter with the mentality and heart of Chisora.

 

What you think about Hunter Jr-Kuzim?

 

I like Hunter by stoppage in a one sided affair, but Kuzmin certainly has the power to end it too.

 

Yeah I maybe worded it wrongly, or misunderstood by others, but I did not mean that boxers who show movement are batty boys who run around the ring.

Of course not, I am all about the boxing and the sweet science. But there are fighters who show up just to be negative and not engage, like Senad Gashi with Chisora, Helenius with Whyte etc.

Yeah I am hearing Gassiev hits hard etc. and I am keen to see how Usyk would handle someone like Whyte's power.

Because his power is fully proven.

Rivas is built as thick as a human being can be for his height, and is as tough as they come, hispanic, gangster mentality, terminator durability, and he was feeling those shots from Whyte. Usyk is not built anywhere remotely near as thick as Rivas, so why will the laws of physics be any different for Usyk?

How will Usyk be able to dodge those shots and those body shots specifically? I haven't seen anything from Usyk in the past to suggest that he has has unique dodging ability, I've seen him get hit plenty.

Why would Usyk's ribcage and durability be any more than Parker's??? And Parker was flinching and grimacing all night, and his own testimony attests to Whyte's power from ALL angles, and all shots.

I am not convinved Usyk would handle that punishment for 12 rounds, or that he could avoid most of it because he does not have Parker or Riva's frame. He is not big boned like that.

 

Fair enough, my opinion is that he quit merely because his gameplan failed him, and he could not get past the huge reach advantage Fury enjoys. Pound for pound, Whyte brings a lot more to the table to beat Chisora at his own game and stand to trade on level ground. That to me is far more impressive.... I'd like to see a 6 foot 7 Chisora vs Fury and see how Fury handles that.

He would get Mauled.

And I am yet to witness any other boxer KO Chisora.

 

I think the concern that Usyk wouldn't be able to handle people's power at HW is reasonable, but I wouldn't say bodytype necessarily has a huge impact on someone's ability to take a shot (within reason - obviously I'm not saying a flyweight could withstand heavyweight shots) Usyk is durable and tough.

Gassiev is a very powerful puncher - difficult to quantify of course, but looks to have legit HW power.

I think Usyk vs Whyte would go very similar to Usyk vs Gassiev. Lots of people backed Gassiev due to his power, but Usyk was totally able to negate it with his ring IQ and footwork. Keeping someone as strong and powerful as Whyte off you for 12 rounds obviously isn't easy, but Usyk always adapts to his opponents and finds a way to win.

 

It wasn't just the reach though, Fury completely schooled him. Chisora had no answer and was taking lots of damage - the sort of damage he was taking is worse for someone than a big KO shot.

You keep talking about "if Fury was small and X was big".. but the fact is that there's no way of proving it either way and never will be so it's a bit of a moot point. Reminds me of that ludicrous Mark Ant thread where he pondered how Floyd would do if he was big enough to be a heavyweight.

 

Yeah and I respect that opinion, and I never make it out like Whyte would walk over Usyk, I am just saying that at somepoint Usyk would fold from the punishment. But guess what? I said the same thing about Rivas... I was sure Rivas would fold by the later rounds, but by some miracle he stayed in there.

So he Rivas defintiely suprised me with his mental toughness and his grit, because I didn't think he would survive those nasty body shots that he took all night... it would be up to Usyk to display the same level of grit and durability as Rivas.

And yeah sure Usyk finds a way to win, he is a tactician very smart, and calculating... but Whyte also finds a way to win as he has fought a versatile bunch of fighters, so both should make for an excellent fight.

 

The point is Chisora isn't 6'7 and he got pieced the **** up and taken apart. And I can't stand Fury. I say it all the time, as much as I hate him, the package of talent, skill, and size(besides hitting like a stone cold broad which is pathetic considering everything else) he brings to the table rarely comes along, ive never personally seen it before.

 

Yeah the tall chisora point is moot, but the fact that Fury gets by mostly on his reach certainly is not, and not enough people bring it up when they talk about his dominant performance over the likes of Chisora.

But w.e. man, not taking away from Fury too much, he is worthy as a top 5, but Whyte beat Chisora fair and square in the second fight, and none of them gave two ****s about the score cards whatsoever. There was serious bad blood and beef between these two, and they both made it crystal clear that they were going for the KO. No doubt. So who was up on the cards is very moot to me, as they both had one intention in there... and the better man won in devastating fashion.

Chisora's durability, and granite chin have echoed the halls of Valhalla, and Whyte put that man to sleep on the canvas, for a long, long time, the murder scene where Haye was slumped over with concern, enough to crease his suite, and Don Charles trying to wake Chisora and praying to Jesus and looking up to the sky will be remembered forever, if you want to talk about what is more impressive.

It will be featured in highlight KO reels for decades to come, and if Michelangelo was alive he would make a dramatic portrait of the aforementioned murder scene.

Sorry if I went overboard there, but Whyte has made some serious statements in the division.

 

You've never seen it on a 6 foot 9 man? I'll give you that.

Easy to piece someone up when you are 7 inches taller, with an 11 inch reach advantage, I wouldn't expect anything less.....

If God had given me that reach... jeez.

 

Yep I agree, think it would be a brilliant fight. Let's hope it happens.

One thing I like about both fighters is they both want to fight the best - no messing around. As you know, I'm a big fan of Fury but can't hand on heart say the same for him.

 

Fully agree, they both have that "I;ll take on anyone" attitude, with a slight twist for each, like Usyk is thinking I'll outsmart him, and Whyte is thinking I'll outheart him. So big respect to both.

 

I totally agree, the only problem is no one else is his size. But to beat Fury, you'd want someone like Mike Tyson. Mike would have bobbed and weaved his way in and turned that height into a nightmare and blast a nuke at that jaw and turn it into a glass parking lot. I could see Andy Ruiz walking him like a dog.

 

I don't know, Mike Tyson would struggle with technically capable boxers who are quite tall like Lennox. You can only expect so much from a 5 foot 10 man again a 6 foot 9 man, realistically, there is little Tyson can do.